Sea Hag wrote:I would too.RayPuresoul wrote:I'd still take Favre over Manning by a healthy margin.
He sure as shit outplayed Elway in Super Bowl XXXII.
Yeah but Favre was in his absolute prime and Elway was in his 15th season. Big difference..
Not really though. In 98 he threw 31 td & 23 int. Not the best ratio. The following year he threw more picks than he did TDs. (22td/23int) 1994 - 1997 was the sweet spot of his career where he consistently put up great numbers. Funnily enough though his best statistical season was in 09 with the Vikings. They were the team that should've won the super bowl that year but we all know how that season ended. Classic Favre throwing across his body only to get picked and cost his team the game.The ridiculous idiotic interceptions are something that happened in the 2nd half of his career after 2000.
He's another guy who I'd rank behind alot of quarterbacks when it comes to all-time rankings. I confidently would already rank Rodgers ahead of him. As far as his contemporaries I'd rank Young, Marino, Elway, Brady & Roethlisberger ahead of him too.
I'm well aware of the dip after the sweet spot of his career in the mid-nineties. And yeah everybody knows how the Vikings coughed that game up. Still Young ahead of Favre? It's a resounding no for me on that one. How loaded did that 9ers team stay? Rice and Taylor to throw to and Watters and Hearst to hand off to while Favre's backfield mates were Edgar Bennett and fuck if I know. Meanwhile Favre made many jabronies into superstars the way Rodgers currently does; Robert Brooks after Sterling Sharpe's career is cut short. Antonio Freeman was a nice receiver too but Favre maxed him out as well. I mean the Packers had a nice two-headed tight end monster going with Chmura and Jackson but their weapons were nothing compared to those 9ers. Oh yeah, Young got to throw to a budding T.O. too. Yeah, the numbers are too goddamn pretty to ignore with Young, but there just seemed something so finesse and fruity about him when he was compiling a losing playoff record against the Cowboys and Packers; 2-5 with baby nuts numbers.
Now to be fair, I'm not forgetting that when Favre finally did have a superstar back to work with in Ahman Green yes, he did piss those opportunities away but personally I'd still take him over Young.
Marino? I agree; better.
Elway? Also better.
You know how I feel about Aaron Rodgers who was almost demoted to mere mortal status this past season after he couldn't make chicken salad out of chickenshit with those subpar receivers. But then with the back-to-back Hail Mary's to tie the Wild Card, he proved that he was still God. (Of course, in an ironic twist of fate, actual God decided Rodgers wouldn't even get the ball in overtime as he caused the Packers defenders to go full blown retard and forget Larry Fitzgerald was even on the goddamned field.)
Big Ben? Yeah, he'll play for another five years but I have him and Favre pretty equal at this point as all-timers. While Big Ben hasn't compiled the dumb fuck epic fail moments in his postseason career (except for the worst Super Bowl performance by a winning QB*) there's been a chasm since the Steelers last made the Super Bowl after 2010 winning one playoff game in five seasons; which oddly has coincided with Big Ben's numbers booming.
Of course, there's the natural reaction to how close Big Ben was to being a three-time Super Bowl Champion and how Favre only ended up with one measly ring following his sixth season with thirteen more ringless seasons to follow. *The reason I put an asterisk beside Big Ben's awful Super Bowl winning performance is that however you slice it he's a guy that deserves to have two Super Bowl rings considering how late in the game they still had the lead against the Packers. It's the same thing I do with Brady who gets a bunch of bullshit credit for his first Super Bowl win where he actually fumbled to lose his first playoff start and wasn't even anything more than a bus driver besides that lucky break. However when you consider that his defenses relinquished the lead twice with under two minutes left to Eli fucking Manning Brady still should easily have four Super Bowl rings by virtue of the position he put his team in to win those Super Bowls they ended up losing.
Back to Big Ben/Favre, you kind of have to assume Big Ben will get one more or at least make it back to another Super Bowl considering he should play another five quality seasons. But if things never lined up and he had that big gulf in playoff success between his peak and later years I don't think it's as cut and dry between a guy like him and Favre. I guess there's the easy one of who would you want to have the ball last but Super Bowl or not that was only the bygod Cardinals; a pretty awful defense who were 28th in points allowed that season. I'm not diminishing what Big Ben did putting together one of the great game-winning drives in the big game but simply stating that is the meat of Big Ben's postseason late game heroics; but I hear you, man; much better than Favre's late game brainfreezes.
I'll assume Big Ben will have one more run to put distance between him and Favre. Until then, I'd barely take Favre if for nothing else.....durability. Big Ben misses a pretty good chunk of games for the kind of monster he is playing the position and I know how often that is due to the Steelers O-line being a sieve but still.