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  • I never said the sequels sucked. Infact I've already expressed my general like for the franchise itself despite some weak sequels. I just said that Freddy became more of an anti-hero and a likable character thus causing the females to find him sexy with his swagger and bad boy persona.
    I hear you . . I would love to see a scary Freddy again. A scary "FREDDY" though, with what makes the character the character, not some new PD bullshit pretentious crap.

    Ledger's Joker was a fine balance of faithfulness to a character and a different take on a character.

    That's all I'm saying.

    I'm gonna look at this script (if its real).

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    • Fred Krueger is SERIOUS AGAIN ... HORRAY

      Pop culture "Freddy" Krueger ... you're F UCKING OUT ... horror icon Fred Krueger ... you're F UCKING IN !!! (Thanks, Kenny Powers)

      BTW, Latino Review officially states Fred Krueger is going to be blatantly reffered to as a child molestor as Wes Craven intended him to be, and the old movies were truly afraid to tap into and merely tap danced around it and gave nods while never directly stating.

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      • Well Brad just posted on his blog again and here's what he has to say:
        There is no one who knows the hatred and distain of horror fans better than I do. I also have learned a great deal from the comments I read, especially here at BD. The fans here are very insightful and passionate and I find it very helpful to read the feedback.

        It should come as no surprise then that Jackie Earle Haley is playing Freddy Krueger. He was the only person we ever considered for the role. He was BD's first choice and there were many times during the negotiation that I came here and just looked at the fans casting ideas and realized that he was ONLY person who could play the role. We can't make all the fans happy, but those of you who are open to a new version of the Nightmare story have to be as excited as we are. Come on people, an Academy Award Nominated actor is playing Krueger. This was no small accomplishment, but everyone involved wanted it to happen. We all know that Jackie is an unbelievable actor, but I want to let you in on something you might not know. Sam, Drew and I had drinks with Jackie and were elated to learn that he is just like us. He is a huge fan of horror, and well aware of the rightful place Freddy Krueger holds in the horror pantheon. Quite simply, he knows what he has to do, and is very up to the task.

        On Monday we start the process of "creating" Freddy's makeup. Jackie is going in to have his contact lenses fit as well as a head cast created so we can create the make up to fit perfectly on his face. Normally I don't go to these fittings, but I am so excited about this film, I don't want to miss anything. I won't be able to take pictures but I will post later in the week to tell you how it went.

        Just a few lines about Sam Bayer. He is so thrilled about taking all the years of experience he has in making breathtaking images and turning it into a horrifying film. He is uncompromising and a perfectionist. I am loving working with him because he cares so much, that I feel like we are all in good, safe hands.

        Now that we have our Freddy I am very focused on casting the rest of the movie. Our first actor cast, Kyle Gallner starred in A Haunting In Connecticut. We didn't have the luxury of seeing the film before we cast him, but his audition was so impressive that everyone at the studio and Bay signed off on him the same day he auditioned. It was one of the few times that someone got the role in the room. He has set a very high bar for the remaining actors. I hope to have more casting news very soon.

        There are lots of rumors floating around, but the best place to get the real skinny is on this blog or the BD homepage, so keep coming back, because I intend to post frequently.

        http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/pla...ntry.php?id=17

        I love that they all seem to have much enthusiasm for this.

        Help get the Nightbreed Director's Cut released. Send an email showing your interest here and help get Nightbreed released the way it was intended.


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        • Originally posted by letaylor View Post
          Ya'll need to quit wacking each other's peeps and admit that we're going to get just another F13 type remake. And while it was mildly entertaining, it was mostly mind numbing and far from being thought provoking.

          So....there.
          Since when on god's green earth were the original F13th movies ever "thought provoking"?



          The original NOES (1984) ... yea that was thought provoking. Maybe NOES 2 with it's homoerotic sub text, but beyond that the rest of the NOES were corny, cliche, 80's cheeseball crap that aped Wes Craven's original horrific idea and made it something laughable AT BEST !!!

          Oh and as for the Friday the 13th remake? Down the line people's majority view will change, cause the only thing holding it back right now is people stuck in nostalgic mode, reminscing over bad to at best average movies. That includes the original. Which while influential in it's approach as the prototype to slasher movies, still wasn't the caliber horror film of a Shining, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, or Nightmare on Elm Street.

          All the F13 films were about quick thrills. And F13 (2009) cuts out all the crap, all the uninetenional and intentional cheese and delivers exactly that ... while for all intensive purposes being totally respectful to the source material. In fact F13th (2009) was the first film to even remotely treat the material with respect and homage. Which is why I don't get why fans have such a problem with it? It was more sincere with it's F13th movie than any other F13th movie was. Even the original, all of them were made with tongue firmly planted in cheek, with production, directors, and actors seemingly almost ashamed of the material.

          F13th (2009) gave us two protagonists, the brother and sister who you could at least remotely care for in terms of story, then gave us a slew of douche bags and sluts for our anti-hero Jason to run through with awesome kills. And they were bad ass. Done in a realisitic tone, which always better than the nonsensical bullshit they used to throw up on screen for Jason kills, I.E. Squeezing someone's eye out, punching someone's head off, pulling someone's heart out with super strength??? They gave us the mythic character of Jason, who executed his crimes in brutal realistic fashion, yet made it totally fun to watch. Oh and also had the greatest collection of hot chicks ever seen in a F13 movie, showing more Tits than a softcore porn movie. Derek Mears as Jason Voorhees > Your favorite Jason from the previous franchise.

          And F13th (2009) ranks right up there with the only other Friday's that were worth a damn outside of cheap thrills. And that's Friday the 13th, and F13th: Final Chapter.

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          • The original NOES (1984) ... yea that was thought provoking. Maybe NOES 2 with it's homoerotic sub text, but beyond that the rest of the NOES were corny, cliche, 80's cheeseball crap that aped Wes Craven's original horrific idea and made it something laughable AT BEST !!!
            You are so wrong.

            Part 3 is maybe the best in the entire series. And Part 7 was probably the most 'thought-provoking' of all.

            Furthermore, PD's "movies" have all been shit, especially that lame redundant Friday the 13th. And give me 80's cheeseball crap over this ADD generation/grunge filtered/glorified Music-Video bullshit the youtube kids get now . . any day of the week.

            As for 'raping Craven's original horrific idea', go back a few weeks in the news and see his feelings on the PD remake so far.

            Everyone shits on New Line for cutting Craven out but the fact is, they at least approached the man for every sequel except 6 . .

            This revisionist view of the Nightmare franchise will not stand. Freddy is the biggest modern horror character for a REASON.

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            • [QUOTE=Guywiththegun;1549089]You are so wrong.[/quote[
              So wrong as in absolutely 100 percent correct?

              Then yeah, I am so wrong.

              Part 3 is maybe the best in the entire series.




              You can't be serious, can you?

              Dream Warriors? Better than the original Nightmare? Wow.

              You're talking about the movie that revolved around a girl who could drag others into her dreams? And had one of the cheesiest plot points of having a bunch of kids band together in super corny moder to go into their nightmares and fight Freddy with imaginary powers?

              Which also featured some of the worst acting on the planet. Heather Langdenkamp was her usual self, solid at best ... but the teens and everyone else was laughable at BEST. Even the father, who delivered a believable performance in the original, totally phoned it in melodramatic style. Just re-watch that absolutely atrocious scene in the bar. Where no one in this small suburban town has ANY problem with the one of the heads of the local police department is getting WASTED all by himself.

              The movie was so corny, and so full of holes. NOES 2 > NOES 3, 4, 5 and 7.

              Also NOES 3 killed the horror icon that was Fred Krueger and gave us in returns Freddy Krueger, albeit the birth of a pop culture icon, destroyed the mystery and horror surrounding the character and turned him into a wise ass clown who wasn't remotely threatning.

              "Here's your big break in t.v.!!!"



              And Part 7 was probably the most 'thought-provoking' of all.
              No, it too suffered from a horrible plot. A script chalked full of holes. A movie revolving around a child who couldn't act, and an idea that TRIES too hard, thus failing. And Wes Craven once again becomes a parody of himself with "New Nightmare."

              Wes Craven, the Frank Miller of horror movies.

              A couple absolutely brillaint ideas that never TRULY reached their potential. And instead of living up to the bar he set for himself and others, he becomes a shell of himself and parodies his own work.

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              • Originally posted by IrishSprings View Post
                Dream Warriors? Better than the original Nightmare?
                way true.

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                • Originally posted by Guywiththegun View Post
                  As for 'raping Craven's original horrific idea', go back a few weeks in the news and see his feelings on the PD remake so far.
                  I said "aping" ... look it up.

                  Everyone shits on New Line for cutting Craven out but the fact is, they at least approached the man for every sequel except 6 . .

                  Freddy is the biggest modern horror character for a REASON.
                  Yeah, horror character because of the only truly CLASSIC film in the series. And that's Nightmare On Elm Street.

                  Pop culture icon because of the witty dialogue, and the characiture Freddy became of himself starting in the 3rd film and arching all the way until Freddy v.s. Jason.

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                  • Originally posted by RyanRomero View Post
                    way true.
                    Say that to any group of knowledgable film enthusiasts and watch them try to contain their

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                    • Say that to any group of knowledgable film enthusiasts and watch them try to contain their
                      I hold my own opinion in higher regard and yes, Nightmare 3 is at least Nightmare 1's equal. This is not a knock against Nightmare 1. Both are probably my two favorite movies.

                      I said "aping" ... look it up.
                      Well 'raping' seemed to work better in context so I assumed you forget the 'r.' But I did look it up and it seems to mean mimicking something with absurd results? And you praise Platinum Dunes?

                      But thanks for the new word!

                      Everyone shits on New Line for cutting Craven out but the fact is, they at least approached the man for every sequel except 6 . .
                      Yes, thats what I said. New Line always got shit for not including Craven yet PD is getting a pass for some reason. I find that odd.

                      Where no one in this small suburban town has ANY problem with the one of the heads of the local police department is getting WASTED all by himself.
                      He was no longer the head of the local police department.

                      Also NOES 3 killed the horror icon that was Fred Krueger and gave us in returns Freddy Krueger, albeit the birth of a pop culture icon, destroyed the mystery and horror surrounding the character and turned him into a wise ass clown who wasn't remotely threatning.

                      "Here's your big break in t.v.!!!"
                      Nope. Nightmare 4 was the start of anti-hero Freddy Krueger and its been well documented that it was pretty intentional. Nightmare 3 was Freddy perfected. I could definitely understand the view that Part 1 is the superior movie, but one thing I could say with 100% confidence is: Freddy in Dream Warriors >> Freddy in Part 1.

                      So like I said, PD would be wise to look at Dream Warriors as much as they look at Part 1 for this . . ugh . . "reboot."

                      Even Stephen King praises Dream Warriors as the only sequel in any of the big 3 franchises worth anything. That is more validation than I could even care to ask for from one of your "knowledgeable enthusiasts."

                      Also, this is a bit of a nitpick, but your 'Fred Krueger' was "Freddy" (or at least "Freddie") in Part 1 and became "Freddy" 100% in Part 2. The big bad boogeymen at the sales pitch meetings didn't invent "Freddy" as some marketing thing.
                      Last edited by Guywiththegun; 04-05-2009, 10:11 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Guywiththegun View Post
                        Even Stephen King praises Dream Warriors as the only sequel in any of the big 3 franchises worth anything. That is more validation than I could even care to ask for from one of your "knowledgeable enthusiasts."
                        He is partially right, though. Friday the 13th Part 2 and Dream Warriors are the only two sequels to the "big three" worth a damn.

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                        • Originally posted by Zombie Dude View Post
                          Well Brad just posted on his blog again and here's what he has to say:
                          There is no one who knows the hatred and distain of horror fans better than I do. I also have learned a great deal from the comments I read, especially here at BD. The fans here are very insightful and passionate and I find it very helpful to read the feedback.

                          It should come as no surprise then that Jackie Earle Haley is playing Freddy Krueger. He was the only person we ever considered for the role. He was BD's first choice and there were many times during the negotiation that I came here and just looked at the fans casting ideas and realized that he was ONLY person who could play the role. We can't make all the fans happy, but those of you who are open to a new version of the Nightmare story have to be as excited as we are. Come on people, an Academy Award Nominated actor is playing Krueger. This was no small accomplishment, but everyone involved wanted it to happen. We all know that Jackie is an unbollievable actor, but I want to let you in on something you might not know. Sam, Drew and I had drinks with Jackie and were elated to learn that he is just like us. He is a huge fan of horror, and well aware of the rightful place Freddy Krueger holds in the horror pantheon. Quite simply, he knows what he has to do, and is very up to the task.

                          On Monday we start the process of "creating" Freddy's makeup. Jackie is going in to have his contact lenses fit as well as a head cast created so we can create the make up to fit perfectly on his face. Normally I don't go to these fittings, but I am so excited about this film, I don't want to miss anything. I won't be able to take pictures but I will post later in the week to tell you how it went.

                          Just a few lines about Sam Bayer. He is so thrilled about taking all the years of experience he has in making breathtaking images and turning it into a horrifying film. He is uncompromising and a perfectionist. I am loving working with him because he cares so much, that I feel like we are all in good, safe hands.

                          Now that we have our Freddy I am very focused on casting the rest of the movie. Our first actor cast, Kyle Gallner starred in A Haunting In Connecticut. We didn't have the luxury of seeing the film before we cast him, but his audition was so impressive that everyone at the studio and Bay signed off on him the same day he auditioned. It was one of the few times that someone got the role in the room. He has set a very high bar for the remaining actors. I hope to have more casting news very soon.

                          There are lots of rumors floating around, but the best place to get the real skinny is on this blog or the BD homepage, so keep coming back, because I intend to post frequently.

                          http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/pla...ntry.php?id=17

                          I love that they all seem to have much enthusiasm for this.

                          Interesting about the make up . I wonder how Freddy's look will differ from the original movies.

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                          • Originally posted by Zombie Dude View Post
                            I love that they all seem to have much enthusiasm for this.
                            Or so they say. Yet this has made me more impressed, its really starting to turn. He didnt mention the fan trailer though....

                            Originally posted by rusted31 View Post
                            Interesting about the make up . I wonder how Freddy's look will differ from the original movies.
                            Hopefully not to much.
                            "Everyone is a moon, and has a dark side, which he never shows to anybody. If, he can help it." -- Mark Twain





                            "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." -- Adolf Hitler


                            You are a sadistic, volatile and all over out of control internet cruise missile, that's what you are, Oxley.
                            Do you have American animals in your Zoo's? Like Bears, Elephants and Giraffes?
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                            • Originally posted by rusted31 View Post
                              Interesting about the make up . I wonder how Freddy's look will differ from the original movies.
                              Hopefully it's something new. I also hope a lot of detail goes into it like they did in the first film.
                              Originally posted by oxley View Post
                              Or so they say. Yet this has made me more impressed, its really starting to turn. He didnt mention the fan trailer though....
                              They wouldn't do the films otherwise. Producers usually are the ones to make films happen, so it would make sense that they push to make something they don't really care about.

                              *shugs about fan trailer*

                              Help get the Nightbreed Director's Cut released. Send an email showing your interest here and help get Nightbreed released the way it was intended.


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                              • Originally posted by Zombie Dude View Post
                                Hopefully it's something new. I also hope a lot of detail goes into it like they did in the first film.

                                They wouldn't do the films otherwise. Producers usually are the ones to make films happen, so it would make sense that they push to make something they don't really care about.

                                *shugs about fan trailer*
                                True, still I would have liked to hear that they at least watched it, and saw the type of stuff most fans want.

                                Its good they say Jackie is a fan, and thinks his up to it.
                                "Everyone is a moon, and has a dark side, which he never shows to anybody. If, he can help it." -- Mark Twain





                                "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." -- Adolf Hitler


                                You are a sadistic, volatile and all over out of control internet cruise missile, that's what you are, Oxley.
                                Do you have American animals in your Zoo's? Like Bears, Elephants and Giraffes?
                                My little idiot..

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