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  • Originally posted by Justin_Voorhees View Post
    I don't think it was a different species at all. The whole movie was about how and why we are here. I think what you saw was just a very primitive version of the traditional Alien. I think over time they would eventually evolve and become what we know them to be.
    It's either that or the xenos simply vary based off of what host they are grown in.

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    • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
      It's either that or the xenos simply vary based off of what host they are grown in.
      ^This. Remember Alien 3 and the way it came out. Honestly that one was a fucking beast if you ask me.

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      • Originally posted by Willowfang View Post
        While visually stunning, the science and physics were total crap and made it hard to enjoy.

        Main example, the "C" was "so fragile" that the other ship brought it down, but then it's superstructure and own weight didn't cause it to burrow into the ground, or collapse under it's own weight. Instead it rolls and causes one of the most retarted "Whilley Coyote" like deaths I've ever seen.
        That is a bit too nit picky. I doubt that scene ruined the entire movie for you.

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        • I hate to be that nitpicky guy, and most know me here, while I can fly off the handle with the best of them and have done so here at least twice I can think of.

          The science was really really bad, prolly not many would see it, but given what I know, it was some of the worst science I've ever seen. Seems like I'm blowing it out of preprotion prolly. But you ever seen a movie where they get something so wrong, that it's hard to accept the overall premise, it was like that for me.

          At that point, I wouldn't call it "ruined", it just stopped drawing me in very much, so early on, the movie lost me and did little to increase my opinion of it.

          And then the ship did what it did. This wasn't a later conclusion, it was a 'WTF" reaction as it happened.

          Aside from that tho...

          I respect most everyone here and in no way mean to disrespect anyone that likes it. Just for me, I find it hard to have a very high opinion of it with the flaws that stand out so badly to me.
          I met her, fifteen years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and not even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this cow, with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach her, and then another seven trying to keep her locked up because I realized that what was living behind that cow's eyes was purely and simply... evil.

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          • Originally posted by Willowfang View Post
            I hate to be that nitpicky guy, and most know me here, while I can fly off the handle with the best of them and have done so here at least twice I can think of.

            The science was really really bad, prolly not many would see it, but given what I know, it was some of the worst science I've ever seen. Seems like I'm blowing it out of preprotion prolly. But you ever seen a movie where they get something so wrong, that it's hard to accept the overall premise, it was like that for me.

            At that point, I wouldn't call it "ruined", it just stopped drawing me in very much, so early on, the movie lost me and did little to increase my opinion of it.

            And then the ship did what it did. This wasn't a later conclusion, it was a 'WTF" reaction as it happened.

            Aside from that tho...

            I respect most everyone here and in no way mean to disrespect anyone that likes it. Just for me, I find it hard to have a very high opinion of it with the flaws that stand out so badly to me.
            Some of the worst science you've ever seen?

            What great science fiction movies that you've seen respect actual scientific theory?

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            • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
              Some of the worst science you've ever seen?

              What great science fiction movies that you've seen respect actual scientific theory?
              Heh, good point. I guess it comes down to what level of suspension of disbelief you find reasonable.

              Tho some films take place in our real world, and others don't take place entirely in our real world.

              This film seems to def take place in our normal real world, while others like Star Wars, Star Trek, Highlander, any superhero movie...

              I'd say The 2001 and it's sequel did just fine. I can't think of any others that stood out as accurate ATM, tho none stand out as highly inaccurate either.
              I met her, fifteen years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and not even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this cow, with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach her, and then another seven trying to keep her locked up because I realized that what was living behind that cow's eyes was purely and simply... evil.

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              • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                woah, nit-pick much?

                I understand the criticism of the two idiot guys, but I'm astonished as to how many people are claiming those 20 second scenes ruined the whole movie for them.
                This.

                Originally posted by Justin_Voorhees View Post
                I don't think it was a different species at all. The whole movie was about how and why we are here. I think what you saw was just a very primitive version of the traditional Alien. I think over time they would eventually evolve and become what we know them to be.


                We all know Xeno differ depending on the host. And I believe Scott said Xenos would be in the film, but just not how we are used to seeing them. So, in my opinion I do believe the Engineers were developing those BioWeapons, which are Xeno DNA but with differences. In the film they say there is likely different planets doing different experiments. Maybe each planet has a different strain of Xeno DNA to work off. Who knows?
                "Everyone is a moon, and has a dark side, which he never shows to anybody. If, he can help it." -- Mark Twain





                "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." -- Adolf Hitler


                You are a sadistic, volatile and all over out of control internet cruise missile, that's what you are, Oxley.
                Do you have American animals in your Zoo's? Like Bears, Elephants and Giraffes?
                My little idiot..

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                • Originally posted by Willowfang View Post
                  Heh, good point. I guess it comes down to what level of suspension of disbelief you find reasonable.

                  Tho some films take place in our real world, and others don't take place entirely in our real world.

                  This film seems to def take place in our normal real world, while others like Star Wars, Star Trek, Highlander, any superhero movie...

                  I'd say The 2001 and it's sequel did just fine. I can't think of any others that stood out as accurate ATM, tho none stand out as highly inaccurate either.
                  2001 and 2010 are some of the few films I can say do a good job of it.,, even at that I'm sure some space experts would pick it apart.

                  I get what you're saying though. A lot of people had the same criticism for the movie Sunshine. I suppose you have to take it for what it is.

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                  • Originally posted by oxley View Post
                    We all know Xeno differ depending on the host. And I believe Scott said Xenos would be in the film, but just not how we are used to seeing them. So, in my opinion I do believe the Engineers were developing those BioWeapons, which are Xeno DNA but with differences. In the film they say there is likely different planets doing different experiments. Maybe each planet has a different strain of Xeno DNA to work off. Who knows?
                    but!!!

                    The facehuggers in the Alien films were laid by a Queen xenomorph. This facehugger came from a person.






                    This is why i love these movies. Good, dense science fiction with lots to discuss!!!

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                    And since the black goo was from egg shaped things that aesthetically match the lay out of facehugger eggs, there would clearly have to be some sort of high knowledge about the xenomorphs that we have yet to discover and only Engineers know.

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                    • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                      but!!!

                      The facehuggers in the Alien films were laid by a Queen xenomorph. This facehugger came from a person.






                      This is why i love these movies. Good, dense science fiction with lots to discuss!!!

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                      And since the black goo was from egg shaped things that aesthetically match the lay out of facehugger eggs, there would clearly have to be some sort of high knowledge about the xenomorphs that we have yet to discover and only Engineers know.
                      So, Maybe this type of Xeno doesn't require a Queen, as the Goo is where it originated from.
                      "Everyone is a moon, and has a dark side, which he never shows to anybody. If, he can help it." -- Mark Twain





                      "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." -- Adolf Hitler


                      You are a sadistic, volatile and all over out of control internet cruise missile, that's what you are, Oxley.
                      Do you have American animals in your Zoo's? Like Bears, Elephants and Giraffes?
                      My little idiot..

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                      • Originally posted by oxley View Post
                        So, Maybe this type of Xeno doesn't require a Queen, as the Goo is where it originated from.
                        Yes. But... since the xenos in Alien come from facehuggers laid by a Queen, and a Queen is born after a special sort of facehugger attaches to a host (we get a glimpse at this special facehugger in Alien 3). I'm pondering over how exactly a queen face hugger gets made. Is it a special type of goo? Or does it follow suit with this theory that the xenos in other Alien films are evolved from the Deacon in Prometheus?

                        I think the xenomorphs were either genetically engineered as weapons by the Engineers or they are some sort of extraterrestrial creature they are attempting to control (or even worship). Remember the giant mural of a xenomorph in Prometheus? And the green crystal below it? This is significant in some way.

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                        • Well, kinda hard to say what's what the way people are discussing it.

                          That is, from the 2nd movie mostly, we got a repeating life/creature cycle.

                          But here you got the start of that cycle. They could prolly have written it up where any one of the stages was the originally constructed creature, some stages making more sense then others.

                          So black goo => any stage really (the alpha face hugger in this case) => the cycle we know.

                          Tho the first few cycles say aren't gonna be 100% in sync with the cycle exactly as it is in the 2nd movie, rather it'll take a few cycles, and then it'll match "perfectly" as it the cycle reaches it's familiar appearence.
                          I met her, fifteen years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and not even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this cow, with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach her, and then another seven trying to keep her locked up because I realized that what was living behind that cow's eyes was purely and simply... evil.

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                          • People hate on this movie too much. If it was released in the late 70's or 80's everyone would be considering it a classic.

                            I enjoyed the shit out of this movie.

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                            • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                              Yes. But... since the xenos in Alien come from facehuggers laid by a Queen, and a Queen is born after a special sort of facehugger attaches to a host (we get a glimpse at this special facehugger in Alien 3). I'm pondering over how exactly a queen face hugger gets made. Is it a special type of goo? Or does it follow suit with this theory that the xenos in other Alien films are evolved from the Deacon in Prometheus?

                              I think the xenomorphs were either genetically engineered as weapons by the Engineers or they are some sort of extraterrestrial creature they are attempting to control (or even worship). Remember the giant mural of a xenomorph in Prometheus? And the green crystal below it? This is significant in some way.
                              Ahh now I see your point. Fuck I love this movie, so, so many discussion points that really open everything up.

                              Originally posted by dead breed View Post
                              People hate on this movie too much.
                              "Everyone is a moon, and has a dark side, which he never shows to anybody. If, he can help it." -- Mark Twain





                              "I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature." -- Adolf Hitler


                              You are a sadistic, volatile and all over out of control internet cruise missile, that's what you are, Oxley.
                              Do you have American animals in your Zoo's? Like Bears, Elephants and Giraffes?
                              My little idiot..

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                              • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                                Yes. But... since the xenos in Alien come from facehuggers laid by a Queen, and a Queen is born after a special sort of facehugger attaches to a host (we get a glimpse at this special facehugger in Alien 3). I'm pondering over how exactly a queen face hugger gets made. Is it a special type of goo? Or does it follow suit with this theory that the xenos in other Alien films are evolved from the Deacon in Prometheus?

                                I think the xenomorphs were either genetically engineered as weapons by the Engineers or they are some sort of extraterrestrial creature they are attempting to control (or even worship). Remember the giant mural of a xenomorph in Prometheus? And the green crystal below it? This is significant in some way.
                                The Queen carrying facehugger was a part of the deleted scenes in part 3 wasn't it?

                                But I think if and when we get some sequels to this series by itself we'll get some answers or get the total fucking run around. Other than that I'm pumped for what these movies are going to bring and I hope they bring it sooner than later.

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