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  • #31
    This movie kind of blew my mind (not in an "OH MY GOD THIS IS AMAZING" way... but in a "woah wtf was that" way).

    8/10

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    • #32
      Originally posted by capecep View Post
      This film was disturbing in a way hard to describe, like disturbing to my soul. It reminded me of Fincher's The Game, except [SPOILER]that the conspirators award the protagonist with a VIP pass to hell instead of a t-shirt.[/SPOILER] I saw the end coming a mile away though, simply because films these days are trying too hard to be shocking. All I had to do was imagine the worst possible outcome and it came to pass. Still, this is a great slice of indie horror. Recommended.
      I think you're very wrong about this film 'trying too hard to be shocking'. The end was foreshadowed within the first few minutes of the film and it's wholly possible that you were influenced by that without even realizing. There are certainly films that do try too hard to have shock scenes; this was not one of them. The ending was a deliberate and important part of the story, as it shows the last remnants of his goodness, that has constantly dwindled through the movie, finally dissipate completely as the cult revels around him. This film is very smart and works on levels that the casual viewer will not grasp.
      "It's not the end of the world, it's just the end of the day."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Agent Panic View Post
        I think you're very wrong about this film 'trying too hard to be shocking'. The end was foreshadowed within the first few minutes of the film and it's wholly possible that you were influenced by that without even realizing. There are certainly films that do try too hard to have shock scenes; this was not one of them. The ending was a deliberate and important part of the story, as it shows the last remnants of his goodness, that has constantly dwindled through the movie, finally dissipate completely as the cult revels around him. This film is very smart and works on levels that the casual viewer will not grasp.

        The film was written to shock the viewer with it's ending (the creator admits this), and it's...(spoilers) coincidentally following a trend seen in other movies like A Serbian Film, The Human Centipede II, etc., where kids are fair game. ...Perhaps the writer was influenced by these movies without realizing. To my credit, when a DVD cover declares by some critic that the film is, "Devastating. Unimaginable.", it makes me wonder what's going to be devastating to these characters as soon as I meet them. Therefore, I kind of knew what kind of movie this was when it started. I'm not knocking the movie at all. I think it's great. But, it definitely projects itself to be one of those films. The movie is most certainly trying to be shocking and it definitely fits in the current crop of films. That's not a really a bad thing and I don't think there's a debate here.
        Last edited by Dr. McStuffin; 08-29-2012, 07:03 PM.

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        • #34
          LOVED IT! The best British horror film since Eden Lake!

          10/10
          ""I was perfect"- Nina Sayers"


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          • #35
            Originally posted by horrorking95 View Post
            LOVED IT! The best British horror film since Eden Lake!

            10/10


            Originally posted by capecep View Post
            The film was written to shock the viewer with it's ending (the creator admits this)
            When/where did the creator state he intended to only shock with the ending? [SPOILER]I'd be interested in seeing that as the ending was foreshadowed with the child on his mothers back swinging a plastic sword at his father in the garden.[/SPOILER] There are some very interesting readings about this film and I'm cynical at the notion that its merely shock value and sometimes shock value is effective because it has an allegory.

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            • #36
              Rather boring movie. I wouldn't call this a horror film in the slightest either. It's not a bad movie just not a good one.
              5/10 at best.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Midnight-Kroovy View Post
                When/where did the creator state he intended to only shock with the ending? [SPOILER]I'd be interested in seeing that as the ending was foreshadowed with the child on his mothers back swinging a plastic sword at his father in the garden.[/SPOILER] There are some very interesting readings about this film and I'm cynical at the notion that its merely shock value and sometimes shock value is effective because it has an allegory.
                I read an interview somewhere that Wheatley said he wanted to "destroy" the viewer with the ending. But forgive me for what came out sounding like a disparaging comment, the film's intention is not purely shallow. What I should have said is that it's ending was foreseeable due to it's comparisons to A Serbian Film and the simple phenomenon of one up-manship.

                Anyhow, this is has become one of my favorite modern horror/thrillers. There are so many layers of subtext here; Wheatley is speaking about religion, masculinity, the trials of family life, the recent wars, and so on.

                The director is very clever with altering the all too recognizable pentagram into his own symbol, therefore keeping the designs of the group mysterious yet foreboding. There's lots of symbolism in the film - one interesting one is when Jay and Gal exit the car under the rainbow, which is a symbol of God's promise to never destroy the earth, thus suggesting the broken promise and some bad shit is about to go down.

                The score is incredibly creepy and this (I'm not positive if I believe this) is attributed to Wheatley incorporating the sounds a shark makes into the score. His logic being that he wanted to place the sounds of a fearsome predator in the film to subliminally terrify the viewer. There's a video of him talking about that online somewhere too.

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                • #38
                  Here's the interview I think...

                  [YOUTUBE]ndB7uVZfjt0[/YOUTUBE]

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Dr. McStuffin View Post
                    I read an interview somewhere that Wheatley said he wanted to "destroy" the viewer with the ending. But forgive me for what came out sounding like a disparaging comment, the film's intention is not purely shallow. What I should have said is that it's ending was foreseeable due to it's comparisons to A Serbian Film and the simple phenomenon of one up-manship.

                    Anyhow, this is has become one of my favorite modern horror/thrillers. There are so many layers of subtext here; Wheatley is speaking about religion, masculinity, the trials of family life, the recent wars, and so on.

                    The director is very clever with altering the all too recognizable pentagram into his own symbol, therefore keeping the designs of the group mysterious yet foreboding. There's lots of symbolism in the film - one interesting one is when Jay and Gal exit the car under the rainbow, which is a symbol of God's promise to never destroy the earth, thus suggesting the broken promise and some bad shit is about to go down.

                    The score is incredibly creepy and this (I'm not positive if I believe this) is attributed to Wheatley incorporating the sounds a shark makes into the score. His logic being that he wanted to place the sounds of a fearsome predator in the film to subliminally terrify the viewer. There's a video of him talking about that online somewhere too.
                    Ah, fair enough mate, you make some interesting points. I'll just throw in my own reading;

                    For me the symbol is a cross between a pentagram and more importantly a crosshair. Much is made of the family returning from Iraq/Afghanistan in the early scenes. The movie to me demonstrated (in shock value) the damage war causes to returning soldiers and their families. The symbol/crosshair was on the back of the mirror, they were looking into the crosshairs of war and the assassinations were a metaphorical destruction of their own beliefs which ended up destroying the family unit.

                    EDIT: Nice one, I'll watch the interview later.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Midnight-Kroovy View Post
                      Ah, fair enough mate, you make some interesting points. I'll just throw in my own reading;

                      For me the symbol is a cross between a pentagram and more importantly a crosshair. Much is made of the family returning from Iraq/Afghanistan in the early scenes. The movie to me demonstrated (in shock value) the damage war causes to returning soldiers and their families. The symbol/crosshair was on the back of the mirror, they were looking into the crosshairs of war and the assassinations were a metaphorical destruction of their own beliefs which ended up destroying the family unit.

                      EDIT: Nice one, I'll watch the interview later.
                      That's a good assessment but you have to wonder if Jay was a psychopath before or after the war. His being selected by the cult and what makes him distinctly different from Gal is that he's an atheist. This combined with his other wonderful qualities: vanity, cruelty, etc. places him in a great position to become what I believe to be is the [SPOILER]Antichrist[/SPOILER].

                      He is lead by the nose by his own rage until it both [SPOILER]destroys and exalts him to king. It's like he is destined.[/SPOILER]
                      Last edited by Dr. McStuffin; 06-22-2013, 06:11 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dr. McStuffin View Post
                        That's a good assessment but you have to wonder if Jay was a psychopath before or after the war. His being selected by the cult and what makes him distinctly different from Gal is that he's an atheist. This combined with his other wonderful qualities: vanity, cruelty, etc. places him in a great position to become what I believe to be is the [SPOILER]Antichrist[/SPOILER].

                        He is lead by the nose by his own rage until it both [SPOILER]destroys and exalts him to king. It's like he is destined.[/SPOILER]
                        Yeah, there's plenty to think on and it goes to show the film is open to vastly different interpretations which is what makes it so interesting. It's movies where you can have discussions like this that I absolutely love.

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                        • #42
                          Oooh there's some interesting discussion going on!

                          It's one of those films that you can really analyse when you watch it again, knowing the shocking outcome. I can't wait to experience it all again!
                          ""I was perfect"- Nina Sayers"


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                          • #43
                            This is a film that absolutely benefits from multiple viewings.

                            I was introduced to Ben Wheatly's style of filmmaking the first time I saw this, and wasn't exactly too sure of what to think about it. Like his newest film 'A Field in England', there's such a strong feeling a dread and impending doom throughout the whole of the movie that was really hard to latch on to when I first sat down and watched it. Most of the violence is so brutal and stomach churning that it gave me a headache, as well as the absolutely brilliant ending. Now that I've seen the film four times, I love it. It just keeps getting better and better for me.

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                            • #44
                              I watched this for a second time last night and still absolutely love it! The atmosphere is so thick and creepy and the directing really puts you in the action. The scene where Gal investigates what has happened to Jay is so suspenseful. I also love the whole build-up and how things becoming increasingly more disturbing before ending on by far the most disturbing note in the film. A real shocker, and a very interesting one too.

                              10/10
                              ""I was perfect"- Nina Sayers"


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                              http://asdaman.wordpress.com/

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