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  • You guys are over-analyzing this movie. Im sure Nolan was smart enough to realize what he was doing. It basicly comes down to this, its a movie. Get oer it. If you have issues with it then either dont watch it or just ignore them.

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    • Originally posted by Shape View Post
      You see the same kind of mistakes from comics. And I think Nolan's films did a good job of making you feel like you were watching a comic book. That's what I love about all these movies.
      I do agree with that, actually it is a good explanation for many flaws or plotholes in this movie. I would love to hear it from Nolan himself, whether that is the reason behind all the "mistakes". But I don't think that he really intended it being comic-bookish.

      Originally posted by rusted31 View Post
      Totally agree. I get that the fans of the film will defend the movie anyway they can, but the ice and him getting back into Gotham are two massive plot holes.
      If you are referring to Batmans return into Gotham...well, the (or a) Hero always finds a way to get to his target. Don't you know that?
      Srsly, I think there are a lot of hidden entries one man can slip through, especially at such a vast border area. But theses are nitpicking trivias. What matters most is the fact, whether the movie works as a whole, a unit or not. Surely, the harmony like in TDK isn't present, but Nolan still managed to capture the character of an event of epic proportions. Score, cinematography, editing...all top notch factors and great to watch at on Blu-ray or just for the sake of big fat action cinema.

      Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
      Anybody could explain these plotholes using their imagination if they look at the products as a whole, unfortunately I expect more from Nolan. Like I previously said, he normally doesn't allow such flaws to slip by.
      Possible explanation is to maintain a comic book-like character, just like Shape assumed. This would excuse the many dissonances.
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      • Originally posted by Morningriser View Post
        You guys are over-analyzing this movie. Im sure Nolan was smart enough to realize what he was doing. It basicly comes down to this, its a movie. Get oer it. If you have issues with it then either dont watch it or just ignore them.
        ugh

        You guys win, this is a nearly perfect movie.

        11/10

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        • Most any movie is going to have it's flaws if you think long and hard enough. Some movies are even dependent on stupid choices for events to take place. Horror movies seem rife with this, but I love a good movie where characters make logical choices that go bad due to a lack of info.

          Any movie can be picked apart after you're done watching it, that's prolly standard, but a movie's narrative shouldn't be so... disjointed that you're left going WTH the instant the event takes place on screen.

          It's not unusual that a deleted scene holds the reason for a later choice, but a lot of that will still hurt a movie.

          Nor should a movie require a ton of previous knowledge. Not that a movie should be dumbed down, but if you wind up with too little reasoning in the movie, it's gonna suffer, as this movie seems to have done.

          Still, that doesn't mean the overall result will be unenjoyable.

          Haven't seen this yet myself, hope to rent it soon.
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          • Put it this way. With BB and TDK, I can count on one hand how many "iffy" moments are in them. With TDKR, I would lose count. Sure, you could pick apart BB and TDK if you really tried, but with TDKR, you wouldn't have to try. It would be effortless.

            I'm not saying it's a bad movie(and I'm still hoping it will get better the more I watch it), but I don't know how anyone(especially fans of the franchise), can ignore the vast amount of problems and inconsistancies with this one, compared to the previous two.

            If Nolan came out and said "This is going to be way different, and have more of an anything goes, over the top comicbook feel to it. Logic is thrown out the window", I would look at TDKR in a different light. He didn't though, so I can only conclude that Nolan kind of dropped the ball with this one. He got a bit lazy in the writing process, and cared a lot less about connecting all the dots.


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            • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
              Put it this way. With BB and TDK, I can count on one hand how many "iffy" moments are in them. With TDKR, I would lose count. Sure, you could pick apart BB and TDK if you really tried, but with TDKR, you wouldn't have to try. It would be effortless.

              I'm not saying it's a bad movie(and I'm still hoping it will get better the more I watch it), but I don't know how anyone(especially fans of the franchise), can ignore the vast amount of problems and inconsistancies with this one, compared to the previous two.

              If Nolan came out and said "This is going to be way different, and have more of an anything goes, over the top comicbook feel to it. Logic is thrown out the window", I would look at TDKR in a different light. He didn't though, so I can only conclude that Nolan kind of dropped the ball with this one. He got a bit lazy in the writing process, and cared a lot less about connecting all the dots.
              You can't but I don't think they are as big as people make them out to be. If Nolan had added a few small scenes explaining why these things happened I don't think there would be as many people complaining.
              Even with these problems I still find this to be a better movie than Batman Begins.
              The scope of the movie is huge and sucked me in the entire time. I even turned into a little girl at the end and teared up a bit.
              I had lots of big problems with the Avengers too while watching it for the 1st time but it never stopped me from loving every second of it.

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              • Originally posted by Justin_Voorhees View Post
                You can't but I don't think they are as big as people make them out to be. If Nolan had added a few small scenes explaining why these things happened I don't think there would be as many people complaining.
                That's just it. We've come to expect perfection from Nolan, so when he gives us something less than perfect, it's glaring. His standards and extreme attention to detail, just wasn't there with TDKR


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                • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                  If Nolan came out and said "This is going to be way different, and have more of an anything goes, over the top comicbook feel to it. Logic is thrown out the window", I would look at TDKR in a different light. He didn't though, so I can only conclude that Nolan kind of dropped the ball with this one.
                  True dat. Like Shape assumed, there is that comicbook-like feel in it. But we are pretty much being left alone with it, kind of being extradited with it - which is not a good thing.

                  Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                  He got a bit lazy in the writing process, and cared a lot less about connecting all the dots.
                  We don't precisely know why he left so many crucial points in his movie unattended. Maybe he had bad screenwriters and couldn't correct it in the shooting process and/or the pressure of the production was to damn high. We only can assume. But naturally he isn't that sloppy with his work, quite on the contrary.
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                  • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                    That's just it. We've come to expect perfection from Nolan, so when he gives us something less than perfect, it's glaring. His standards and extreme attention to detail, just wasn't there with TDKR
                    Exactly. Tiny little things or even just dialogue could have been added that clear some of this up. Too bad he didn't do that.

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                    • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                      Exactly. Tiny little things or even just dialogue could have been added that clear some of this up. Too bad he didn't do that.
                      While it might clear a few things up, the big holes aren't going to be just explained away. A few more issues I have...

                      What about the Wayne Industries workers who discovered that Bruce had fixed the autopilot? Do they just get paid off or what?

                      How does Bruce live the rest of his life hiding away? He's an extremely famous billionaire. Won't someone notice him?

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                      • Originally posted by Klown View Post
                        How does Bruce live the rest of his life hiding away? He's an extremely famous billionaire. Won't someone notice him?
                        It's just a matter of where he disappeared to. I don't think France would be the best of options, if you want to keep a low profile. Let alone, settle down with someone who is on Gotham's most wanted list.

                        I was actually hoping he would just be in exile somewhere, right back where he started. They just had to make Alfred's dream come true though.


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                        • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                          It's just a matter of where he disappeared to. I don't think France would be the best of options, if you want to keep a low profile. Let alone, settle down with someone who is on Gotham's most wanted list.

                          I was actually hoping he would just be in exile somewhere, right back where he started. They just had to make Alfred's dream come true though.
                          That's true. I guess seeing him in a busy café in France just didn't make a lot of sense, but it was Alfred's dream. Perhaps he is living elsewhere and just came to see Alfred?

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                          • Originally posted by Klown View Post
                            That's true. I guess seeing him in a busy café in France just didn't make a lot of sense, but it was Alfred's dream. Perhaps he is living elsewhere and just came to see Alfred?
                            My other problem with the film has to be the escape sure he bailed in time but how the hell did he do it when the blast radius was 6 miles unless he had an escape pod that was REALLY FAST.

                            Another problem don't you think Bane since it was his prison would have said DON'T LET BRUCE WAYNE OUT????? Sure he may have thought no chance in hell but it was his prison apparently paying off the doctor.

                            The film has flaws but overwhelmingly awesome.

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                            • Originally posted by Freddy_Lives View Post
                              My other problem with the film has to be the escape sure he bailed in time but how the hell did he do it when the blast radius was 6 miles unless he had an escape pod that was REALLY FAST.
                              Ya know, that is all that would've been needed, to make that escape believable. Just a quick scene with Wayne and Fox exploring the interior of the flying hunk of garbage, and have Fox comment on an aquatic escape pod, in case he gets into trouble.


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                              • It does sort of become a slave to its own pacing as the film goes on. From the time Bane takes over Gotham to the time Bruce returns to the city, many key scenes that could and should have made more of an impact are rushed to keep up with said pacing. That to me was more jarring than any lapse of character logic. It is still a good Batman movie regardless of its flaws.

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