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  • Originally posted by Mr Torrance View Post
    True but he was a villain,and not just a run of the mill criminal.It could just me to thinking a little nod to the joker would have been cool.I just feel he was such a huge character and not to mention him whatsoever was odd.

    Im real curious where they go next when another Batman does get made,I almost can't wait even though it'll be tough to top Nolans.
    A nod would have just been a tease and Nolan didn't want that. He felt it was best to move the story on without any mention of The Joker, out of respect for Ledger.

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    • I read an article where it said Joker wouldnt be mentioned at all. If Heath had not died then he was going to be in it, but shit happens. I also read something where Nolan was asked if Blake was going to become Robin like so many people think and he said that the Robin name was just a homage and if he returned to the series he had something else in mind. If you are a fan of the comics then you know after Bane fucked Batman up he had Azriel to take his place so Im wondering if that could be the direction he would go in.

      On a side note I think given how this series stands thus far I think it is a bad time for the Justice League movie.

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      • I think its a cop out they didn't mention Ledge because of "respect".

        It wouldn't have tarnished the public's viewpoint on him if they said "Joker is locked up at so-and-so prison" or something else. I hated how they acted like the second film never happened. I don't understand how ignoring Ledger's most memorable character like he never existed is respectful, I find it negligent.

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        • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
          I think its a cop out they didn't mention Ledge because of "respect".

          It wouldn't have tarnished the public's viewpoint on him if they said "Joker is locked up at so-and-so prison" or something else. I hated how they acted like the second film never happened. I don't understand how ignoring Ledger's most memorable character like he never existed is respectful, I find it negligent.
          How the hell did they act like the second film never happened? Did you actually watch the movie?

          Just because The Joker isn't mentioned doesn't mean the second film was ignored.

          You're just bitching for the sake of bitching now.

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          • The novelization briefly mentions The Joker:

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            • Also, the very set up, Batman haven't made no appearance for what, 7 years, The Dent Act, and the public's feelings about Batman are all direct result's of the 2nd movie.

              And after 7 years I doubt the Joker's name would be all over the public's discourse and more than the last big criminal case is on everyone's tongue in real life a year later, especially when a new big criminal case comes alone every 2, 3, 6, 12 months or how ever long it works out to be.
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              • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                I hated how they acted like the second film never happened.
                Uhm...they referred to several scenes from The Dark Knight.

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                • Originally posted by Mr Torrance View Post
                  True but he was a villain,and not just a run of the mill criminal.It could just me to thinking a little nod to the joker would have been cool.I just feel he was such a huge character and not to mention him whatsoever was odd.
                  If Ledger were alive I imagine it would've been the Joker presiding over the makeshift court instead of Scarecrow. (at the very least anyway)

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                  • Originally posted by Shape View Post
                    If you remember, Scarecrow wasn't the actual villain in BB. He pretty much led the underworld of Gotham, as he's basically doing in TDK and TDKR. I just don't think The Joker would've fit in this movie at all. But that could be just me. haha
                    I was so surprised, when he all of the sudden appeared as a judge within the chaos of the "courtroom". I am not sure how to put it in my brain yet.

                    Originally posted by Justin_Voorhees View Post
                    I'm just going off what both Nolans said about the ending. They both say it's up to the viewer to decide what happened.
                    That's the more rational and logic approach to it. I can't live with the fact that the scene in the cafe witnessed by Alfred was reality. No fucking way.
                    How does the viewer know of such stupid things like an auto-pilot, summaring 1+1 up to the conclusion, that he is still alive and well after a nuclear explosion? Gimme a break.
                    This film has definitely the vibe and feel of a comic book, not so much a movie which stands with both legs in reality and reality only. Though, it would explain the well-being of Bruce after his self sacrifice brilliantly, but I can't take that as a legit excuse. There's a point, where enough is enough.

                    Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                    Even Micheal Caine believes the Cafe scene is legit.

                    http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/12/0...es-final-scene

                    Enough of this dream sequence nonsense.
                    No way dude. Read my comments above.

                    Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                    I don't know, but if so, he was clearly in the one holding the bomb. The way it's edited, there is no way any rational human being would think, "Oh', he must be in the other batwing".
                    Exactly my words and thoughts. He was blown to nuclear smithereens, period.
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                    • Originally posted by black coffee View Post
                      Uhm...they referred to several scenes from The Dark Knight.
                      Exactly, I mean how could most of this movie existed without part 2? I mean the name Harvey Dent would have never been mentioned, Gordon wouldnt be commissioner, Batman wouldnt be hated or have a reason to become a recluse, and I could go on. Quite frankly I see nothing wrong with not mentioning The Joker, I mean sure he is one of the most memorable villians but in all honesty I saw him as merely a time killer so to speak in regards to the overall story.

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                      • Originally posted by Santa Sangre View Post
                        I can't live with the fact that the scene in the cafe witnessed by Alfred was reality. No fucking way.
                        It was.. I'm surprised this is even a conversation.

                        How does the viewer know of such stupid things like an auto-pilot, summaring 1+1 up to the conclusion, that he is still alive and well after a nuclear explosion? Gimme a break.
                        Because there was a small scene explaining that the auto-pilot was working.


                        This film has definitely the vibe and feel of a comic book, not so much a movie which stands with both legs in reality and reality only. Though, it would explain the well-being of Bruce after his self sacrifice brilliantly, but I can't take that as a legit excuse. There's a point, where enough is enough.
                        It's just not a good film bro

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                        • Originally posted by Sea Hag View Post
                          It's just not a good film bro


                          To say you dont like it is one thing but to call it a bad movie is just bullshit

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                          • Originally posted by Morningriser View Post


                            To say you dont like it is one thing but to call it a bad movie is just bullshit
                            Nah, more like accurate. I think we have a different set of standards.

                            Originally posted by Morningriser View Post
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                            Looks like I was right Aren't you the guy that told people who criticized this pile to "get over it" because "it's only a movie"? You should heed your own advice bra.

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                            • Originally posted by The Revelator View Post
                              I hated how they acted like the second film never happened.
                              Did you even watch the movie? It even opens with a contribute to Dent, who was ONLY in the second film.

                              Originally posted by Sea Hag View Post
                              Nah, more like accurate. I think we have a different set of standards.
                              Like Morningriser said; you can say you didn't like it, but to call it a bad film is an unaccurate opinion.
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                              • Originally posted by Shape View Post
                                Like Morningriser said; you can say you didn't like it, but to call it a bad film is an unaccurate opinion.
                                But it is due to a myriad of very valid reasons pointed out already. To give the thing a 10/10 or call it the best film of the year is an example of incredibly low standards.

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