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  • Isn't Brock gonna be working a couple of the next PPV's after WM too? Up until last week, that little cross-eyed prick HBK was conspicuous in his absence. I imagine Brock eats a Sweet Chin Music/Pedigree combo along with plenty of other shenanigans to lose while still looking strong. Then he murders whoever at the next PPV. Maybe he murders Cripple Haitch at Extreme Rules.

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    • Originally posted by DudeClassicMan View Post
      As for Russo, guy’s an indefensible cocksucker period. Nobody did more to render wins and losses and titles meaningless than Russo. Also turns become flat out meaningless when half the roster turns every three months. If the matches are just meaningless devices to kill time between the latest SWERVE and the World Title doesn’t even mean shit, then tell me why the fuck I’m buying the pay-per-view again, stupid. But it seems like he's definitely a moron who values ratings over buyrates.
      The thing about Russo's booking(in the WWE at least), was that change was needed at the time. I'd argue that the belts meant more in Russo's ADD booking era, than they do today, where champions stay champ for months, and even years on end. The sheer amount of top talent in that era, kind of forced that brand of rapid swerve booking, and it could be argued that his booking style helped create a lot of those stars.

      Look at the tag team division. You had four or five top teams, that anyone could buy as champions. Same with the World Title. You had Austin, Rock, Angle, Micheals, HHH, Hart, Undertaker, Mankind....it was ri-goddamn-diculous.

      However, Vince Russo needed the other Vince, to filter out all of his bullshit. I think Russo gets way too much credit for the Attitude Era. It could be argued that things not only stayed the same, but even got better once he left for WCW. As "the man" running the show in WCW, he fucking sucked. You would definately want him in a brainstorming session though.


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      • Originally posted by DudeClassicMan View Post
        Isn't Brock gonna be working a couple of the next PPV's after WM too? Up until last week, that little cross-eyed prick HBK was conspicuous in his absence. I imagine Brock eats a Sweet Chin Music/Pedigree combo along with plenty of other shenanigans to lose while still looking strong. Then he murders whoever at the next PPV. Maybe he murders Cripple Haitch at Extreme Rules.
        Yeah, I believe he's booked up until next year's WM. He signed an extension a while back. That's the only reason I see him possibly going over HHH. I think the plan is for Rock/Brock at WM 30.


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        • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
          The thing about Russo's booking(in the WWE at least), was that change was needed at the time. I'd argue that the belts meant more in Russo's ADD booking era, than they do today, where champions stay champ for months, and even years on end. The sheer amount of top talent in that era, kind of forced that brand of rapid swerve booking, and it could be argued that his booking style helped create a lot of those stars.

          Look at the tag team division. You had four or five top teams, that anyone could buy as champions. Same with the World Title. You had Austin, Rock, Angle, Micheals, HHH, Hart, Undertaker, Mankind....it was ri-goddamn-diculous.

          However, Vince Russo needed the other Vince, to filter out all of his bullshit. I think Russo gets way too much credit for the Attitude Era. It could be argued that things not only stayed the same, but even got better once he left for WCW. As "the man" running the show in WCW, he fucking sucked. You would definately want him in a brainstorming session though.
          I should've been more clear; I meant WCW where we saw Russo with no shackles on his crackpot random bullshit style of booking. Also I don't buy for a second Austin or Rock's ascensions had a thing to do with Russo's input at the time. All those guys were open mic unlike today's largely scripted promo bullshit the shitcom writers saddle guys with. Hell, Austin shot to superstardom during a feud where he lost the only two high-profile matches of the feud to sHitman Hart. Russo's edgy direction and all those characters and performers certainly complimented one another but he'll go down as little more than a lucky hack cocksucker.

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          • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
            Yeah, I believe he's booked up until next year's WM. He signed an extension a while back. That's the only reason I see him possibly going over HHH. I think the plan is for Rock/Brock at WM 30.
            Brock certainly should destroy HHH. HHH is a smart enough guy to not really give a fuck about winning at WM even though he's jobbed over and over again since that pathetic HHH/Orton payoff (which had to be the most one-sided show closer ever) to the point that I could see him putting himself over.

            The doubt comes in that Brock can lose (especially with a bunch of shenanigans) and still easily get his heat back with a few thrashings of top guys. Or can he? I mean that may run off people buying mainly for Brock is he loses yet again in only his 3rd match back.

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            • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
              Yeah, I believe he's booked up until next year's WM. He signed an extension a while back. That's the only reason I see him possibly going over HHH. I think the plan is for Rock/Brock at WM 30.
              I've heard the Brock Vs Rock rumor and I don't care for that idea, already happened at summerslam and its less relevant now.

              I've heard Brock Vs Taker mentioned and I know they've had lots of fights but at least it ties in with Heyman and they had that face off at a UFC event. Still not hot on that idea either, at least not for mania.

              I'd love Austin vs Punk at Mania XXX. And if Triple H beats Brock making it a win a piece I'd like the final to be at extreme rules in a octagon. This is just fantasy though.

              Another random thought. If Cena happened to turn heel at Mania you reckon that would spell the end for the PG era? The Bearer stuff among other things have been pushing the boundaries of PG.

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              • Originally posted by DudeClassicMan View Post
                I should've been more clear; I meant WCW where we saw Russo with no shackles on his crackpot random bullshit style of booking. Also I don't buy for a second Austin or Rock's ascensions had a thing to do with Russo's input at the time. All those guys were open mic unlike today's largely scripted promo bullshit the shitcom writers saddle guys with. Hell, Austin shot to superstardom during a feud where he lost the only two high-profile matches of the feud to sHitman Hart. Russo's edgy direction and all those characters and performers certainly complimented one another but he'll go down as little more than a lucky hack cocksucker.
                Oh' yeah, his WCW days were a travesty. He actually managed to make WCW worse than it already was. That takes some serious, shit-tacular skills.


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                • Originally posted by Midnight-Kroovy View Post
                  Another random thought. If Cena happened to turn heel at Mania you reckon that would spell the end for the PG era? The Bearer stuff among other things have been pushing the boundaries of PG.
                  Nah. The PG era isn't going away, as long as they have a contract with Mattel, to sell their toys. Mattel is pretty much the sole reason for the change in content.

                  "You want us to sell your shit? Guess what, you're a children's program now"

                  They can get away with the odd, somewhat edgy storyline here and there, but that's about it. If Cena turns heel, it probably won't be as good as any of us are imagining. He won't be going back to rapping about other wrestlers metaphorically sucking cock, that's for sure.


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                  • Originally posted by Heretic View Post
                    Nah. The PG era isn't going away, as long as they have a contract with Mattel, to sell their toys. Mattel is pretty much the sole reason for the change in content.

                    "You want us to sell your shit? Guess what, you're a children's program now"

                    They can get away with the odd, somewhat edgy storyline here and there, but that's about it. If Cena turns heel, it probably won't be as good as any of us are imagining. He won't be going back to rapping about other wrestlers metaphorically sucking cock, that's for sure.
                    Yeah, it seems unlikely. PG won't last forever though, just like it didn't in the mid 90s. With so many people criticizing the build up of wrestlemania, I kinda hope for a low buy rate. If/When money starts to dry and ratings take a dip there will be a change. Having said that I'm not hung up on a return to the attitude era, it had some awful angles (Katie Vick, mae youngs hands etc.) I just simply want a change.

                    Can also argue that the new established fanbase of kids will grow up and WWE will need to cater the product to teenagers.

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                    • Originally posted by Midnight-Kroovy View Post
                      Yeah, it seems unlikely. PG won't last forever though, just like it didn't in the mid 90s. With so many people criticizing the build up of wrestlemania, I kinda hope for a low buy rate. If/When money starts to dry and ratings take a dip there will be a change.
                      I don't know. I think it's a different business today, and ratings don't mean as much as they used to. TV isn't the only source of ad revenue anymore. Like everything else these days, it's all about social media. Ratings have been shit for quite a while now, but the WWE gets it's brand out there through other means, like twitter and facebook. There are more people on mobile devices at any given time, than there are watching TV.

                      Having said that I'm not hung up on a return to the attitude era, it had some awful angles (Katie Vick, mae youngs hands etc.) I just simply want a change.
                      I don't think it matters all that much, what the boundaries are, if the booking remains as terrible as it is.

                      Can also argue that the new established fanbase of kids will grow up and WWE will need to cater the product to teenagers.
                      Nah, they'll just turn into jaded fans like we are. One thing the world isn't running low on, are babies. There will always be a new audience of children, waiting in the wings.


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                      • Predictions for tonight:

                        Cena beats The Rock (will we get a clean finish or will Cena see an opportunity to cheat and win? .. Time will tell)

                        HHH beats Lesnar (No way HHH loses this one)

                        Taker beats Punk

                        The Shield will win their match because either Sheamus or Orton will turn heel.

                        Ziggler will more then likely cash in his MITB.

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                        • Originally posted by dead breed View Post
                          Predictions for tonight:

                          Cena beats The Rock (will we get a clean finish or will Cena see an opportunity to cheat and win? .. Time will tell)

                          HHH beats Lesnar (No way HHH loses this one)

                          Taker beats Punk

                          The Shield will win their match because either Sheamus or Orton will turn heel.

                          Ziggler will more then likely cash in his MITB.
                          I'm so excited for mania tonight! I wasn't too bothered about Rock Vs Cena but I was forgetting the hostile crowd and a crowd can make a match. From Hall of Fame reports Cena got a massively hostile reception so I'm excited

                          A friend of mine has been telling me for ages that Ziggler will cash in tonight, I don't see it myself. He's lost 90% of his matches over the last few months, surely they would have given him build up if he were to cash in. I hope Monday's raw with a hot crowd will be the beginning of operation make Ziggler huge.

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                          • Believe in The Shield!!!

                            Nice start. Way better than last year's 18 second title match.


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                            • PHAAAAN-DAAANG-GOOOOOO

                              You better be good, you prissy fuck.


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                              • Only surprise so far is Henry winning. Pretty decent/average Mania so far.

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