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Dimension Still Isn’t Making Clive Barker’s ‘Hellraiser’

Hellbound: Hellraiser II

Last February we broke the news that A Nightmare On Elm Street‘s Heather Langenkamp would be starring in Gary Tunnicliffe‘s Hellraiser: Judgment, a new sequel currently in post-production for a hopeful release later this year. Even before that, Patrick Lussier was set to direct a new Hellraiser from a screenplay by Drive Angry collaborator Todd Farmer, which was to be a prequel to Clive Barker‘s feature film adaptation from 1987. In fact, the last time we even talked about Barker’s own remake was back in 2014 when he has sat down with Dimension Films chief Bob Weinstein with his second draft, allegedly to introduce an all-white Pinhead. Point is, Dimension has clearly moved on from Barker’s vision two-fold, and we had even heard unconfirmed rumors that Blumhouse was tinkering with the franchise for over a year (I’m not sure how the rights worked out to allow this? Maybe it was based on a different Barker novel or character?) before giving up on it.

But I digress, fans still want Barker to get behind the camera for a remake, and thus continue to ask the famed horror icon about it. During a Shudder live chat on Twitter, Barker exclaimed, “The script was written and delivered to Dimension years ago [see above]. That was the last anyone heard until news of a sequel surfaced.

This confirms that Barker is no longer developing a remake for Dimension, which as I stated above isn’t all that surprising considering they have Judgment already in the can. With that said, the alleged reason Judgment was rushed into production was to retain the rights, which means Dimension can spend another five years spinning their wheels on a remake that will never happen. Thank god Halloween was able to sneak out of the grasp of the brothers; we can only pray the same happens with Hellraiser, which is clearly trapped in hell.

I’m a huge fan of the Hellraiser franchise, but the only film that feels authentic is Barker’s original independent production thats story isn’t centralized on Pinhead, but Uncle Frank and Julia. Everything after that is something different. While I can’t wait for Judgment, the only Hellraiser I’d sell my soul to see is one backed by Barker.

Would you sell your soul for Barker’s return to Hellraiser?



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  • Wes Draven

    I actually disliked the first Hellraiser film. The only one from the franchise I really liked was Hellraiser: Inferno, directed by Scott Derrickson (Sinister). The concept was fine, but even Hellbound Heart, Clive’s novella, was lacking in most departments. I like the graphic novels a little better and I also have The Scarlet Gospels to read soon though.

    • Fredrik Johansen

      That’s like saying the only Indiana Jones film you liked was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

      • Wes Draven

        Condescending other people’s opinions is childish.

        • Arne Mittet

          How was that condescending? You wrote that you dislike one of the most beloved horror films of all time, and that you prefer a sequel which is so vastly different, it’s pretty much a cash-grabbing sequel-in-name-only.

          The comparison to Indiana Jones was very apt.

          • Matt

            He, like you, is entitled to his own opinion.

          • Tiger Quinn

            Good lord, this isn’t about the right to have one – you did that – it’s that said opinion is stupid.

          • Wes Draven

            I wonder what it’s like in that echo chamber of yours where everybody likes the same thing and everybody thinks the same way and anybody who thinks something contrary to that belief is stupid. I have nothing really else to say to you other than that.

          • Tetra-Gramaton-Cleric

            I like what Harlan Ellison once said:

            “You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion.”

            When somebody says something as woefully ignorant as to call The Hellbound Heart “lacking” without giving a shred of evidence to justify the criticism, I’d call that an uninformed opinion or at the very least an opinion backed up by nothing of substance.

            The notion that people are entitled to their opinions might be true in the most literal sense but I would posit that an opinion without some manner of evidence or insight is about as useful as errant fecal matter sprayed across the wall of a gas station bathroom.

          • Wes Draven

            I’ve read the novella. I didn’t like it. I liked the idea of it, but not the writing style itself. Clive was still coming to his own as a writer, I think. I’ve read Weaveworld too. I liked that book. And from what I’ve read of The Scarlet Gospels, I think he has improved a lot as a writer. His ideas were never lacking in any respect.

            If I am entitled to my informed opinion, by reading it, my opinion becomes informed. It isn’t my job to tell you why The Hellbound Heart is lacking, you liked it, I didn’t. This is a horror news website and the main topic at hand wasn’t regarding the quality of the films, I simply stated a brief opinion.

            I didn’t make my comment to have a long debate with you, and I didn’t insult your opinion for liking it.

          • Wes Draven

            Hellraiser is far from one of the most beloved horror films of all time. The reception was always divided and it didn’t have much widespread appeal beyond hardcore horror fanatics. Just saying…

          • Tetra-Gramaton-Cleric

            Mainstream appeal has nothing to do with quality.

            Hellraiser doesn’t have mainstream appeal because it is far more cerebral than most horror films and it also deals with theological and hedonistic thematical underpinnings that make most people incredibly squeamish. Critics of these films tend to employ reductive derision and focus on the gore and makeup without bothering to mine the deeper subtext present within the novella and the first two movies.

            Personally, I wouldn’t expect most people to like these films just like many people can’t stomach Barker’s writing. Clive is fearless in his exploration of the surreal coupled with his willingness to expose the thin veil between agony and pleasure and the deeper recess of taboo subject areas, including the relationship between violence and sex. Studio execs want to commoditize this franchise (and to a large extent have with the shitty direct-to-video sequels) but their attempts to bring this intellectual property to the masses will probably result in one of two outcomes:

            The thematic and aesthetic stylings present in the original and the novella will be largely diluted if not outright sanitized or the film will fail to attract a larger audience for the same reasons as the earlier movies.

          • Wes Draven

            I never said mainstream appeal had anything to do with quality.

          • Arne Mittet

            Haha, so you’re saying that it’s not one of the most beloved horror films, because the only people who love it, are people who love horror films.

            Applying that logic, you could also say that Raiders of the Lost Ark is not one of the most beloved adventure film, because the only people who love it, are people who love adventure films.

          • Wes Draven

            Haha, no. That isn’t what I said, that’s either your misinterpretation or you hearing what you want to hear. The film did not receive critical acclaim and was not very popular. A film does not need to be hailed by a huge amount of people to be a beloved film. However, in-order for a film to be “one of the most beloved” it needs to be beloved by more than a cult following.

            And, once again, you are not applying my logic at all. Raiders of the Lost Ark was beloved by a huge amount of people. It can claim itself as one of the most adventure films of all time because it has the numbers to back it up.

          • Arne Mittet

            Actually, Hellraiser is one of the films you will be sure to find just about every time someone makes a list of “The 100 best horror films ever”. All over the world, whether it’s a tiny blog, or some big and popular magazine, Hellraiser is almost always mentioned as one of the best horror films in existence.

            It has also been dubbed “The best horror film ever to be made in Britain”, as well as bringing to life one of the most iconic and recognized horror movie villains of all time.

            The fact that it has spawned so many sequels is also testament to its popularity, so the numbers are clearly there to back it up.

            You are of course perfectly free to feel that the film just wasn’t for you, but it’s not “condescending” when someone points out that most people feel otherwise. And to claim that it’s not one of the most beloved horror films of all time, will only make yourself look silly.

          • Wes Draven

            No, it really isn’t one of the most beloved horror films of all time. If you’re finding someone that is willing to make a list of their favorite one-hundred horror films, that clearly isn’t an individual who is a casual viewer, and the appraisal of those individuals is what is needed to make a film “the most beloved” is mainstream support. The sequels are a testament to a following but nothing more than a cult-like appeal.

            The Exorcist is one of the most beloved horror films. Everyone loves that film, or a lot do. Whether they’re huge fans or not.

            Notice how I didn’t call you silly for disagreeing with me, it’s up for debate, but I do believe I’m right and you’re wrong.

          • Arne Mittet

            Yes, The Exorcist is probably the single most beloved horror film of all time. And that’s been officially declared by a whole bunch of lists by a whole bunch of magazines and websites and blogs. But guess what other movie is also always mentioned in those very lists? 😉

            And it’s not even only restricted to the top 100. Hellraiser is rarely among the top 3, but it’s not uncommon to see it somewhere around the 10-30 mark.

            The fact that you apparently are unaware of the popularity of such lists, does in no way disqualify their validity. And your argument that the people who make such lists are “not casual viewers” is also just a way of trying invalidate facts which goes against your personal conviction. Some of these lists are based upon popularity votes by a myriad of people, thus, by definition, making Hellraiser one of the most beloved horror films of all time.

            Also, there is actually nothing in the statement of it being “one of the most beloved”, that requires the inclusion of “mainstream support”. What people who don’t like horror films think about horror films, is utterly inconsequential. Otherwise, you could say that the fact that most men don’t like chick-flicks, is somehow proof that they are not popular. This is obviously fallacious argumentation.

            You didn’t like Hellraiser. That’s fine. I personally can’t stand Forest Gump. But that does not change the fact I’m a minority on that one…

          • Wes Draven

            My reasons for debating this point aren’t regarding my feelings about the film, it’s semantics. You don’t see what I am trying to say, and I guess that’s just something we’ll have to deal with it. The film is not “one of the most beloved” of all-time from a worldwide perspective, but, I suppose, can be argued as very beloved by the horror fan-base and maybe that’s what matters. The difference is that something like Exorcist is loved by the horror fan-base AND the casual viewer, the ones that don’t frequent lists very often. The Conjuring is also loved by the horror fan-base AND the casual viewer, whereas, films like Hellraiser and, say, The Witch, are films that are beloved by a small, but vocal number. Our debate seems less and less about opposing view and more about semantics and the definition of what “the most beloved film” of a genre is intended as.

          • Arne Mittet

            On the contrary, I see what you’ve been trying to do from the very beginning:

            First you posted a personal opinion. When someone pointed out that most people would disagree with you, you tried to play the victim.

            When I then pointed out that you had no reason to play the victim, you tried to wiggle your way out by making claims that simply are not true.

            When I went on to arrest you for this too, you resorted to bickering about semantics, making up new definitions of words, and playing the victim again.

            All the while climbing higher on a horse of your own imagination, just so that you wouldn’t have to admit that your original statement is not in tune with popular opinion.

          • Wes Draven

            Never once did I play the victim. I have had individuals call me stupid for this opinion, and I deemed this as childish as well. Which, it is. By logic, it is not how adults participate in mature discussion.

            I disliked the film. It was compared to a bad Indiana Jones film that is notoriously disliked, whereas Hellraiser: Inferno is not notoriously disliked, but is notoriously unheard of and obscure. Inferno is called a lame cash-grab in name-only, by you, but Indiana Jones is not a cash-grab in name-only. It’s an Indiana Jones movie, whichever way you slice it. A bad one, sure, but still. It was just someone’s way of saying the film I like is bad and the films before it were better. The comparison wasn’t appropriate for any other reason other than insulting the film I like.

            I didn’t bicker about semantics either, you did. I stated my opinion and elaborated when they came into question. That’s it. I didn’t make new definitions of words either. I never once said the film was disliked. I simply argued whether or not it was one of the most beloved, a point that seemed to bother you. The logic for it, however, is pretty basic and elementary. An independent film that doesn’t have a huge following can be beloved, but I don’t think it’s one of the most beloved, simply because it never made it into the upper echelon of critical acclaim or had the numbers to back itself up, since why there has been little to no demand for a new film to be released in theaters. I love other independent films, and it takes nothing away from it. I don’t really see what the issue is here, you’re just seemingly offended by it.

            I didn’t climb on any high horse either. I participated in a discussion. I gave points for my beliefs and you mocked them, but didn’t engage them. I’m done participating in a one-sided debate where only one of us is contributing information and the other is just trying to be argumentative. This is the last post I’ll make in this thread.

          • Arne Mittet

            Oh poor you! Someone called you stupid on the internet? What a terrible thing to have to go through. Good thing that you at least got to call other people childish for voicing their opinion. And when someone else pointed you were being silly, then that was also a terrible attack on you as a person. You poor, poor thing.

            You’re so stuck in your own victimhood, you don’t even realize it. But apparently that’s “how adults participate in mature discussion”.

          • Wes Draven

            I don’t want to participate in a conversation where one side is calling me stupid. I’m not offended or hurt, I don’t know how I’m being a victim about it. I never said it was a terrible attack. Seems you’re just looking to get a rise out of me and will be sorely disappointed.

          • Arne Mittet

            What are you doing here? I thought you said your previous post was “the last post I’ll make in this thread”. Then again, I guess at this point nobody’s surprised by the fact that you don’t speak the truth.

        • Tiger Quinn

          Well, some children are correct. That opinion is ridiculous.

          • Wes Draven

            I think Scott Derrickson is a more capable director than Clive Barker, and while it took away the elements of Clive’s vision, I personally enjoyed this concept better. Again, the graphic novels are my favorite interpretation overall because I think Clive has a chance to better achieve what he intended and he has gotten a lot better with experience.

          • Hero

            Derrickson’s concept was like the reverse of Barker’s. Barker’s cenobites are hedonists while Derrickson’s are moralists. One version only cares about sensation and desire while another just wants to preach at sinners for giving into their desires. Inferno is a decent movie but for all its polish compared to the first Hellraiser, it’s like the opposite of Hellraiser and completely subverts the original concept which I don’t agree with. If you’re going to do a story in a pre-existing universe, stick to its rules. You don’t see Superman movies where Superman has no powers(other than temporarily) and Batman movies where Batman can fly and lift mountains.

      • Matt

        It was better than Temple of Doom.

        • TheRealBadHatHarry

          Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. Yours is stupid.

          • Matt

            Stupid because it doesn’t match yours. Got it. Thank you very much.

        • Tetra-Gramaton-Cleric

          I’ve never understood the hate for Temple of Doom. It’s my second favorite Indy behind Raiders.

          • Arne Mittet

            I actually enjoy Temple of Doom even more than Raiders, because of the more adult theme, and the fantastic dinner scene with snakes and monkey brains, as well as of course the beating heart being extracted from of the body. But then I guess I’m a “horror fanatic” =)

          • Matt

            That’s cool, glad you enjoyed it so much. While I don’t hate it, it is my least favorite.

        • I don’t understand why everybody hates Temple of Doom! In my opinion it’s the best Indiana Jones film.

          • Matt

            I don’t hate it, I enjoy them all. However, it is my least favorite. I would rank them 1,3,4,2.

    • ChinoX813

      I Disagree with this 100% but I actually liked Inferno, after 1 & 2, it’s the only other one I could take half way serious……. Funny to think the guy who made “Doctor Strange” started in the Dimension, straight-to-DVD sequel world.

      • Every up-and-coming future talent/filmmaker has to have a start somewhere(no matter what type of film that it is).

      • thegreatiandi

        More importantly…Is your name Chino…Like in XL?! The lyrical Jesus?!

  • Otterlee

    Love ’em all, even the not-so-good ones. Something about the franchise just fits for me.

  • dukeblues

    Anything with Farmer and Lussier is terrible. Not scary at all……

  • i.am.pain.®™

    srsly just give it back to barker and let him take it from there.
    that would certainly be the best way to ramp interest and box.
    instead they’re saying hey this one will be better than the last one. lol. dimension should just give it up.

  • Wil McMullen

    I dunno know about handing over my soul, but I’d be interested in seeing Barker make a prominent return back to the hellraising universe he fathered.

  • Christian

    The Brass at Dimension has been a cowardly lot for a long time now. I’m a bit surprised they’re still around. Giving Clive the reigns to do something he knows far better than anyone else would obviously be the smart thing to do, but Dimension hasn’t been too keen on doing the obviously smart thing for some years.

  • wedellbudwhite

    I just want Barker to direct another film doesn’t have to be a hellraiser

  • GreatWhiteRuffalo

    barker was still involved up until the fourth movie iirc. however the last halfway decent one was the third, and the last legitimately good one was the 2nd. there are still some cool cenobite scenes even in the bad movies but everything else in between is forgettable fluff.

    • Saturn

      Gotta disagree with you there – Hellraiser 4, to me anyway, had a really good movie in there trying to get out – it was a failure, but I still enjoy it and wish that the recent Arrow boxset had a nice release of that one in with it, although I suspect they may go back for another set of the other movies.

      A lot of people don’t like the movies that followed, but personally I enjoyed them all (to varying degrees) because of the lack of Pinhead – I know he was just “tacked on” but for me that was what made Pinhead work so well in the first couple of movies, he wasn’t around too much making wisecracks like Freddy.
      My least favourite of the bunch was Deadworld – hell, I even got a kick out of the so-called worst one of the bunch Revelations, I liked the bleak ending and that they at least tried something a little different.
      Yeah, the guy who played Pinhead wasn’t a patch on Doug – but come on, Doug is iconic and will be difficult to replace, much like Robert in Elm St.
      Personally, if I’d have made it I would have done it without Pinhead altogether and just created another Cenobite leader, perhaps one who had violently overthrown Pinhead at some stage.

  • Francesco Falciani

    wow this studio is worse than paramount then

  • Simon Allen

    Next week ….Lionsgate isn’t making a My Bloody Valentine sequel .
    And other pointless stories.

  • EvilHead1981

    Fuck the Weinsteins. From all the stories I’ve heard, they are some of the most anal executives when it comes to making movies. The only thing they physically had a role in was The Burning and that was it.

    • Wil McMullen

      Ha! I totally agree with ur comment

  • Ocelot006 .

    Maybe Life is a Hellraiser prequel.

  • Seal Clubber

    There is no Hellraiser.

    Everything is an illusion.

    There is only Suffering.

  • Rez

    This really blows because this is never gonna be made….

  • Gambit

    I’m still waiting for Barker to develop The Great and Secret Show & Everville…

    And Sacrament.

    Sadly this will never come to pass, as books, they are perfection.

    • Blood Boil

      Throw The Damnation Game in there as well.

      • Gambit

        I’d kill for a true version of Cabal too! No studio interference!!

        Barker’s vision is so perfect, it’s such a shame to meet that he needs budgets that only come from the big studios.

  • The Weinstein brothers are the worst. I loved when Entourage spoofed Harvey and referred to him as Harvey Scissorhands because of all the post production edits that he does in order to make them “more accessible” to audiences as he claims.

  • Carlton Fisher

    On the subject of rights issues and the rumor of Blumhouse’s involvement, is it possible for Barker to sell the rights to Scarlet Gospel to a different studio to allow for further development of Pinhead elsewhere, or is that something that would have been forbidden via the original rights agreement associated with The Hellbound Heart? I mean, they are two different books, written quite far apart, and Barker would be the originator of the concept of Pinhead and the Cenobites, so would he have the right, if he had a second book, to develop that as a film elsewhere with a different company?

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