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Kevin Smith Was Offered ‘Toxic Avenger’ Remake But Left Due to Studio’s Strange Plans

A remake of Troma’s The Toxic Avenger has been thrown around for nearly a decade now – at one point, oddly enough, Arnold Schwarzenegger was seemingly attached! – but at this moment in time, it doesn’t appear that any concrete plans are in motion.

But what *almost* became of the remake? As it turns out, Kevin Smith was recently offered the chance to bring Toxie back, as he just revealed on Fatman on Batman.

Via AITH:

“I don’t really deal in that world that much anymore, I don’t have to sit with people that are corporate and have interests to protect, like, I’m in the walrus movie phase of my career,” Smith began the story. “The last thing, and it wasn’t even a big deal, it wasn’t like ‘I’m outraged!’… somebody asked me, ‘Hey man, we’ve got THE TOXIC AVENGER and we’re gonna remake it, do a reboot, and hey, you’re from Jersey.’ And you know, I always kind of dug what Lloyd Kaufman and the Troma people do, it was right in Jersey, I remember seeing them on the news all the time – ‘Hollywood, motion pictures in New Jersey? Right here at Troma!’ And TOXIC AVENGER was insanely well known. So I always respected the Troma world and Toxie franchise. So I was like, all right, I’ll go down the rabbit hole a bit and see what’s what.”

He continued, “And we parted ways fundamentally on the budget, because I was just like, ‘Part of the charm of the TOXIC AVENGER is that it was made for two nickels. If you’re gonna do it again, don’t spend a lot of money.’ But they were like, ‘No no no, it’s a 35 million dollar movie.’ And I was like, ‘It’s a f*ckin’ remake of THE TOXIC AVENGER, the guy in a tutu with a bad makeup job, what are we gonna spend all the money on?’ So right then and there, I’m clearly not on the same page. In my head, if I need to see a TOXIC AVENGER remake, it should be done in the spirit of the original. Instead, they were literally trying to start a franchise, Marvel-ize it and stuff like that. And I’m like, ‘I don’t know if you guys saw that movie.’ So I just quietly stepped away. I understand what they were going for, but I would never want to see that version of the movie. It would be like somebody doing a 35 million dollar version of CLERKS. Why would you bother?

Last we heard, Conrad Vernon (Sausage Party) was attached to the remake.



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81 Comments
  • Creepshow

    Holy shit! I’m slapping myself right now for saying this, but I actually agree with something Kevin Smith said. The thought of someone wanting to remake The Toxic Avenger is idiotic enough. And hopefully the assclowns who thought a 35 million dollar budget was a great idea, have already been fired.

    • Jay Bennett

      Right? Never thought Id find myself agreeing with him. Ever

      • Frank Gambino

        Creepshows too dignified to watch Kevin Smith films.

    • Evi

      As a person and a speaker I’ve always liked Smith. His filmmaking abilities are questionable at best, though.

    • NixEclips

      Lloyd Kaufman is the someone. He wants it remade because he gets money from it.

  • Grimphantom

    With the whole Share universe from other movies are failing, they should see this won’t work aside of the many things that are wrong on how they are trying to approach this movie.

  • Rohan

    Why would you remake Toxic Avenger?

    • Necro

      Same reason they remake everything else!

    • Saturn

      It seems that in terms of remakes Hollywired cannot win – they remake something decent and fans of said film are all up in arms “you can’t remake the classic! Remake something that wasn’t so good!”
      But then they announce they are remaking Toxic Avenger – which we all know wasn’t much good to begin with?
      “WHY BOTHER REMAKING THAT PIECE OF SHIT!!”

      Just a quick note Rohan, I’m not having a go at you and your comment, just pointing out something that happens alllll the time, so don’t think I’m aiming my comment at you directly.

      • Rohan

        You don’t like Toxic Avenger? I love it, but the problem is, it’s the perfect movie for what it is and it’s time. It’s like trying to remake Easy Rider, why would you even try?

        • Saturn

          Don’t get me wrong – I enjoy a bit of Toxie from time to time, but like the vast majority of Troma’s other output? It’s not really very good at all.
          But, we are allowed to enjoy some crap from time to time.

          • Rohan

            It’s not a great movie, but it’s not supposed to be, and it knows it’s not. One of my favorite parts is when Toxie is fighting criminals in a Mexican restaurant. All of a sudden they grab samurai swords off the wall and stop fighting with them. They knew it was a “wait, what?” moment, and that made it even funnier. It’s very self conscious, and that make sure them even more charming.

    • Daniel Anderson

      Lack of originality and attempting to monetize a beloved character.

    • J.J.

      Part of the charm of the film is how “80’s” it is. You can’t replicate that in the 2010’s.

  • Can’t stand Kevin Smith personally but yeah, I totally agree with him here!

    • Edgar Pinecone

      I was thinking the same thing. Even a broken dick-stain like Smith can be right twice a day. 😉

    • Dan Francis

      I’m curious. Why the hate for Kevin Smith? Yes, his movies aren’t for everyone but if you listen to his podcasts you’ll quickly learn that his philosophy is pretty great. Do what the hell you want and don’t let people get you down. He’s generally very positive and is great to his fans.

  • I’m not against a TA remake per se but, God, i hate Smith so bad! So i’m happy it didn’t work out

  • 35 Million dollars compared to a 200 million dollar MCU film…

    • Adaaification

      Avengers 3 and 4 have a combined budget of one billion. The standard for a mcu movie is between 250 and 350 million dollars.

      • Standard is far lower (unless you are counting Marketing costs in as well, which is almost never directly released. Assuming you go by the old ‘double the production budget route).

    • Bully FU

      Giving Toxie 35 million is like writing Marvel a check for 350 to make the first Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America. It’s just excessive and can be done for a fraction of that. Toxic Avenger shouldn’t have more than a 5-7 million dollar budget, that would be plenty enough to hire a really good special FX house to do all practical FX. Don’t get me wrong, I love the original Toxie but if they spent some money to do all of the SFX well, that would be cool. Keep his look similar to how it was, bring it into the 21st century, and spend the majority on fight scenes.

  • Adam Clifton

    I have to agree completely. A glossy remake would take all the rawness out of it

  • TheHornedLynx

    35 Million Toxic Avenger??? Almost feels like it’s that kind of thinking that gave us Tom Cruise: The Mummy…

  • Flyingguillotine

    You don’t re-paint the Mona Lisa. Leave Toxie alone.

    • Frank Gambino

      You’re comparing that shit b-movie to the most famous historic painting on the planet?

      • J.J.

        The most overrated painting of all time. It’s just a portrait of a person just like thousands of others at that time. What makes it so special? She’s not even attractive.

        • joeybot

          Hope you’re kidding, or it explains why you love The Toxic Avenger so much.

          • J.J.

            Nope i’m not. I challenge you to explain what makes the Mona Lisa so much more special than the thousands of other portraits of people? What exactly makes this drawing worth $800 million lmao. Anyone who thinks a painting is worth that much is an absolute moron xD

          • joeybot

            You’re kind of stupid. But you love the Toxic Avenger and horror garbage, so you definitely know art!

          • J.J.

            So instead of being able to answer the question you resort to insults. Still waiting for your answer as to what makes the Mona Lisa so much more special than the thousands of other portraits of people. The only reason the Mona Lisa became world famous is because of the news coverage it got when it was stolen and missing for 2 years it got in all the papers back then. When it first came out it wasn’t considered to be anything particularly special.

          • joeybot

            Well, not according to art critics but you didn’t know that because you were too busy jerking it to the date rape scenes in Troma movies.

          • J.J.

            I’m an art critic too. I just critiqued the Mona Lisa therefore i’m an art critic.

          • joeybot

            fart

          • J.J.

            Also why have made an account on BloodyDisguting and posted on an article here if you think horror is “garbage”? XD

          • joeybot

            I never said HORROR is garbage. Also, you don’t need to make an account, it’s Disqus. The account is already made, just had to post. Are you dumb? I think you might be.

      • SupernaturalCat

        http://weeklywire.com/ww/11-16-98/austin_screens_film-3.jpg
        …referencing The Last Big Thing (1996)

  • jurgmandr

    I hope this idea never comes to fruition. 95% of the charm of the troma films is the tiny budget/b-movie vibe they throw off.

  • jackmeat

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a34bd736281960c17d2ba8619bb98b84de92af76b19c2e5837a89f561826da6f.jpg

    as you can see i met the only person that should be touching Toxie remakes. 35 mil remake? That goes completely against what Lloyd and I talked about when I got to meet him. The beauty of there films are low budget. I hope this idea never happens

    • Yeah I wonder what studio has the option/rights to make The Toxic Avenger that wants to drop 35m on it.

      Lloyd is an awesome guy, and fun factoid, I met him at a book signing for make your own damn movie in 1999, and gave him that wooden really-bad looking TROMA plaque on the wall to your right. (one of our awesome 90’s cameras photo date stamps must be off, since mine says it was taken after yours)

      He allowed me to do an interview with him for a website I ran, and then at the midnight screening of Terror Firmer (or it may have been Tromeo, not 100% sure) I got to be Kabukiman! It was absolutely one of the most exciting 24 hours of my teenage life, and strangely enough whenever I run into him at conventions, he still remembers, and says that plaque I made in wood shop is still on the walls at Troma. (even shared a picture to prove it, lol) Sorry, had to reminisce there, someday I’d love to get to visit Troma HQ, it must have been one awesome adventure to see the place.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96c7d3027961514845af0c5466723d319c84bcb7cdae0249b07c9e3a87445363.jpg

  • Shane o mac

    Maybe for 35 million they could get better actors for the remake lol

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  • ScaryLarryV

    make another Toxic Crusaders cartoon id say before a pg-13 version of Toxie

  • Agent HUNK

    toxie was a marvel comic and was great !!!! im all for big budget remake !!!!

  • Bart Crowe

    Good on Kevin Smith for turning that down. The idea of a major studio trying to make a Tromaverse with actual money behind it. Do all these Troma “heroes” team up to take on an army of undead Surf Nazis in the halls of Nuke’em High?

    • Will Schuster

      I’d watch.

  • Schwifty

    “It would be like somebody doing a 35 million dollar version of CLERKS. Why would you bother?”

    Er … wasn’t CLERKS II pretty much a 35 million dollar version of CLERKS?

    • ForthrightAbysS

      xD only 5 mill but made me laugh !

    • J.J.

      No it wasn’t.

    • Nick Botic

      Not even close…

  • J.J.

    The original was the only good one. They lost it after that 2, 3 and 4 all sucked. Though hot as hell Phoebe Legere saved 2 and 3 from being completely unwatchable.

  • I Am Colossus

    Man, Kevin Smith is cool

  • mave deltzer and the 7 sources

    lol this is why movie studios in this current age sucks. $35 million for a remake of a low-budget movie?? where’s that money going to? cgi? massive explosions? racist over tones? this sounds like a “mitchell bay shit transformers movie.”

    this is THE TOXIC AVENGER. not some dumb ass movie for dumb ass people.

    • joeybot

      Actually the Toxic Avenger is pretty much a dumbass movie for dumbass people.

      • mave deltzer and the 7 sources

        according to whom? you must be one of those retard millennials that I keep hearing about.

        • joeybot

          You must be one of those dumbass 45 year old who thinks the shit they grew up on is the best. Tell me I’m wrong, fatty!

          • mave deltzer and the 7 sources

            you are definitely in the wrong, fgt. go back to watching your justine beibr music videos, you retard millennial.

          • mave deltzer and the 7 sources

            better yet, go fap to your teen movies, you dumb fgt neckbeard motherfker. that’s what you retard millennials watch nowadays.

          • joeybot

            Ha ha ha, wrong on all counts. But boy, I seem to have hit a nerve, right shithead?

  • TheMuppetManiac

    35 million isn’t that big of a budget. If you told me someone was going to remake Toxic Avenger with a decent budget, but it was still going to be weird and crazy, I’m down for that. If they want to make a safe, pg-13, to sell toys, then I’ll pass.

  • joeybot

    Wouldn’t matter how much money they gave Kevin Smith, it would still look shoddy and cheap due to his garbage directing.

    Having said that, we already have the awesome low budget Toxie movie…if they’re doing a reboot, why not something different?

    • Nick Botic

      That’s just your, however unpopular, opinion. Smith’s directing on Clerks was fantastic, and has only improved since then. I’m not saying all of his films knocked it out of the park, because they absolutely have not, But his directing has always been solid, in my opinion.

      • joeybot

        On CLERKS? Ha ha ha, did you like how he would cut to random shots of shoes and stuff because he didn’t know what coverage was and had nothing to patch his uninteresting compositions of two people standing in profile together?

        Oh how about much later in his career in Cop Out, when Bruce Willis realized he signed up to do a movie with a lazy pothead who didn’t give two fucks about anything? Smith literally didn’t know what lens he’d be using for a shot.

        • zid

          And yet he’s got enough money he can make the films he wants to make and get to do cool podcasts about being asked to handle someone’s $35 million dollar franchise. Sounds like you’re just jelly.

          • joeybot

            Not really, but I can have an opinion like every other asshole on the internet. Hey, lots of untalented people can make money, good for them.

        • Nick Botic

          I’d love to see the first feature length film you made.

          • joeybot

            Its not about what I made or didn’t, honey. But actually I did make a film and it ended up with worldwide distribution and it was better directed than Clerks.

          • Nick Botic

            Is that right? Lol. What’s it called?

          • Nick Botic

            I’m really, really excited to hear this.

          • joeybot

            Good for you!

          • Nick Botic

            So…no actual response then. Have a good day 🙂

          • joeybot

            Um, that was a response.

        • Nick Botic

          Man, you just seem like a really bitter, really unhappy person. I feel bad for you

          • joeybot

            Yeah and you post on a horror site so you’re probably a social retard. Enjoy!

          • Nick Botic

            I mean…that’s not really an insult coming from you, seeing as you too are posting on a horror site. Guess you’re angry and dumb. Lethal combination haha

          • joeybot

            How often do you think oh man, I just need to stick a gun in my mouth and end it?

          • Nick Botic

            Never…that’s a really dumb question lol, you’re a dim little fella aren’t ya?

          • joeybot

            At least I’m not typing lol like a five year old, lmao!

          • Nick Botic

            I can’t tell if you’re being factitious or not…you’re chastising me for using an internet shorthand for laughing…then follow it up with “lmao” You really are a fucking idiot hahahahaha. Please know that nothing you say from this point forward will have any relevance. You’re literally too stupid to converse with. So, with that, take care, you simple sonofagun.

  • Evan3

    In thirty-five years you better believe some dumb producer is gonna try to do a $35 Million Clerks reboot.

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