A ragtag group of paranormal researchers reopen their notorious ghost removal service, and a new generation of Ghostbusters is brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar.
I’ve been dying for Columbia Pictures to get their third Ghostbusters off the ground, but with the sudden death of Harold Ramis, it’s kind of hard for me to envision it without him…
Still, the studio will continue forth with him, says a new report on THR.
Explains the site, Ramis’ death on February 24 has has left Sony scrambling to keep Ghostbusters III on track since Ramis, who died at age 69 due to complications from autoimmune inflammatory vasculitis, was to have made a cameo appearance in the film.
The sequel’s director Ivan Reitman is scheduled to meet with Sony production brass in the coming days to assess how to move forward on the project that is in active development. READ MORE
A brief Ghostbusters 3 update and still nothing official has come out of Columbia Pictures’ mouth. They haven’t even announced the film yet, so who knows if the long-gestured sequel will even happen.
According to SK, Emma Stone is passing on “Anna” but Jonah Hill still has an offer out for “Jeremy”. So much for the big Superbad reunion. They also state that Sony wants two big stars signed on or they will not green light the picture.
Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Rick Moranis, Sigourney Weaver aren’t stars, apparently.
Ivan Reitman will direct if this ever happens. It follows a ragtag group of paranormal researchers reopen their notorious ghost removal service, and a new generation of Ghostbusters is brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar. READ MORE
According to a film industry executive, Ghostbusters 3 is considering Cleveland as a location to shoot the third installment of Ghostbusters, says WKYC Ohio.
The movie is scheduled to be shot in 2014, they claim, with rumors swirling once again that Jonah Hill and Emma Stone have been offered the lead roles. READ MORE
Another old story is being reported as new over at Schmoes Know, who claim that Jonah Hill and Emma Stone – who starred together in the timeless comedy Superbad – have been offered the parts of Jeremy and Anna in Sony’s long-gestured Ghostbusters 3.
Both names have been mentioned, as well as other up-and-coming comedians such as Aziz Ansari, to play the newer, younger Ghostbusters who have been passed the torch by the original team (Peter, Egon, Ray, and Winston). The site says offers were officially made to Hill and Stone, although there’s no confirmation. If this were to be true, it would confirm reports from last July that surfaced about the studio’s interest in the duo.
The real news is that, if offers are actually going out, and being accepted, it would mean that there’s real movement – and that the targeted spring 2014 shoot would be in the cards. READ MORE
Here’s a bit of non-news that I’m actually excited to report on.
Personally, Louis Tully is my favorite character in the Ghostbusters franchise, which is why Rick Moranis’ return in Ghostbusters 3 is essential to my support.
Thankfully, he’s not opposed to making a return, he tells Empire in an insanely rare interview.
“I haven’t talked to Danny (Aykroyd) about it,” he tells the UK magazine. “Somebody he’s associated with called me and I said, ‘I wouldn’t not do it, but it’s got to be good.’ You know, I’m not interested in doing anything I’ve already done, and I thought the second one was a disappointment.
“But I guess I’m interested in where that guy is now. I sort of see him as being Bernie Madoff’s cellmate in jail. Both of them being so orderly that they race to get up and make their beds.”
I think he’s selling himself short, as his character could easily be one of the film’s driving forces.
And speaking of short…
If I had a time machine I’d go back and attempt to make a Rick Moranis/Martin Short buddy comedy. It’s one of the biggest mistakes this world has ever served us.
Comedian-turned-actor Dan Aykroyd joined “Larry King Now” to talk about all sorts of stuff, including the long-gestured Ghostbusters 3, which seems destined to eventually happen. While Bloody Disgusting was the first media site to bring you story details, Aykroyd speaks in more detail to Larry King.
Before getting into the actual plot, it’s important to note that Aykroyd boldly stated that Bill Murray is not currently part of the movie. “He’s a good friend, I love him, he just doesn’t want to reprise the role. However, there will be a hole for him. If Billy wants to walk in the door and be in the movie, we will find a place.”
But, as we previously revealed, Ghostbusters 3 will feature a new cast of Busters. “We’re going to have to cast. We need four new ghostbusters. We need four new Columbia students,” stated Aykroyd.
As far as the plot of Ghostbusters 3, Dan Aykroyd said, “It’s based upon new research that’s being done in particle physics by the young men and women at Columbia University.” Aykroyd added, “Basically there’s research being done that…I can say that the world or our dimension that we live in, our four planes of existence, length, height, width, and time, become threatened by some of the research that is being done. And Ghostbusters, new Ghostbusters have to come and solve the problem.” READ MORE
Being that April Fool’s was just a few weeks ago, I couldn’t help but assume this was a joke on the level of mine from 2011. But it wasn’t, which makes the following story even more cruel… Six Flags Amusement Parks almost had a Ghostbusters ride! It was to be similar to the Toy Story and Men in Black rides that grace Disney and Universal, where the rider would become a Ghost Buster and shoot ghosts in a hotel that looked like a newly constructed “Haunted Mansion.” It was ingenius. And there’s dozens of concept art pieces to prove it. What I would have done for this (and another round of Slimer gum)… READ MORE
Some slight news on Sony’s Ghostbusters, which will apparently not be shooting this summer since writer Etan Cohen is still only about halfway through the script. The good news is that Dan Aykroyd is apparently inspired by some cool real-world scientific discoveries that they could use to bridge over into the supernatural universe for the sequel.
Aykoryd told ABC (via Badass Digest), “ I feel re-encouraged, reinvigorated by the pages that I have seen. I know that we’re expecting half of the screenplay to be completed very soon. It should be into production by the fall and be shooting by the new year. I won’t say anything, it’s very exciting. The Higgs boson and the particle theories, gluons and mesons, that really gives us a scientific base in terms of our fictional storytelling, to open up to another dimension and have something horrible come through.”
Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver are all rumored to be returning at some capacity. Again – this will crush all of your dreams if/when it happens. Trust me.
Bill Murray doesn’t have an obligation to the fans to star in Ghostbusters 3, let alone any movie. In fact, many Bloody readers have sounded off that they don’t even want to see the sequel. But alas, Sony and Columbia Pictures continue to tweak their proton packs for a third battle with the undead in New York.
The project, which has been in development for several years now, would bring Ivan Reitman back behind the camera, with Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd and Ernie Hudson returning to bust some ghosts (and pass along the torch), alongside Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver (depending on what source you believe; and take into consideration the years of development could cause players to get cold feet).
And thanks to the team’s
failed attempts dedication to bring Bill Murray back into the fold as Dr. Peter Venkman, the project has been in development hell for the better part of a decade. What’s interesting though is the roundabout news that, once again, Sony is looking to do Ghostbusters 3 as an animated film, a source exclusively reveals to Bloody Disgusting. This was the original plan back in 2007, which eventually resulted in the incredible 2009 video game.
Whether you blame Murray for stringing everyone along and not giving a flat “no” (though it seems he has done this several times), or you point your finger at Aykroyd and Reitman for agreeing accepting that string – it seems the damage to the project might be permanent. In the end, it looks like they may go with “Plan Z,” which would entail animating the feature and bringing the cast in for a few days of voice work. If I were a gambling man, I’d say Murray couldn’t turn down a massive paycheck for one day of work. (Cameron Diaz earned $3 million for Shrek, $10 million for Shrek 2, and a disturbing $30 million for Shrek The Third.) READ MORE
This is from someone who kind of liked Scream 4… I don’t need a Scream 5. Back in November I wrote up a small piece talking about how incredulous Wes Craven seemed that there would even be sufficient demand for a fifth movie. That was when Craven wrote on Twitter, “No news on ‘Scream 5′ yet. You guys really want another one?”
It just seems like there’s no momentum on the project. The other day Collider asked Neve Campbell what she thought about the film’s chances and she answered, “We’ll see. I’m not sure they’re going to make it, to be honest. If that were to come up again and they were to approach me, I’d have a chat with them about it.” This is a polite way of saying she thinks this movie is in no way a priority for Dimension right now, and she’s probably right.
I think this is starting to teeter into Ghostbusters 3 territory, where a core group of people who loved the first installments of a franchise are clamoring for a new one. Of course there are some differences here (it’s been 2 years since Scream 4, not 20). But I feel like both franchises have, for different reasons, been irretrievably sucked into the vortex of diminishing returns. Too many people need Scream 5 to be too many different things. A reboot? A straight sequel? Do they kill the original cast? Do they make it found footage? There are almost too many options and with this many cooks in the kitchen it’s impossible to come up with a unifying take. Remember how Scream 4 didn’t really focus on an angle? It would just bring up a new thesis, drop it and then pick up another one? It would take a miracle to keep Scream 5 from exacerbating that issue.
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Hot on the heels of Sony deciding to shoot their new Ghostbusters in the summer, they’ve now lightly applied the brakes. They’re going to be making some decisions about the film this spring, which in all likelihood would preclude a summer start. In fact they’ve said as much.
Per THR, “ Any ‘decision’ on Ghostbusters III, the long-, long-gestating sequel, has been postponed until the end of March — this after Men in Black 3 writer Etan Cohen was paid a huge sum for a script. Shooting was to begin next summer but now couldn’t start before fall at the earliest.” I’m hoping for never.
Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver are all rumored to be returning at some capacity. Again – this will crush all of your dreams if/when it happens. Trust me.
Hiding within an article over at Deadline, they report that Kevin Costner and Ivan Reitman’s football feature Draft Day is being put in turnaround by Paramount as Ivan Reitman will begin shooting the new Ghostbusters next summer.
Next summer is a long ways away, and there are quite a few questions that need answering before it goes into production (something I won’t believe until I receive a shooting announcement from Columbia Pictures). First, is it going to be a sequel or is it going to be a reboot? Is Bill Murray officially out? Or will he be included by some sort of other means (digital, animated etc…)? And, will the plot follow Peter and Dana’s lovechild, Oscar, who is rumored to lead the modern Ghost Buster team?
There’s a lot to find out before next summer as Etan Cohen rewrites Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky’s screenplay.
Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver are all rumored to be returning at some capacity. Personally, I just want to see Moranis return to acting. He is missed greatly here at Bloody.
While Bill Murray repeatedly slimes the idea of Ghostbusters 3, Columbia Pictures, along with director Ivan Reitman, and stars Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd, continue to push forward with the misadventures of Dr. Egon Spengler, Dr. Raymond Stantz, Dr. Peter Venkman and Winston Zeddmore.
While we’ve watched everyone involved trade verbal blows, and then deny them, something
interesting terrifying has been brewing under the streets of New York City.
In a recent interview with Collider, Reitman was asked about the sequel. His response sent me into a state of shock: “I think Ghostbusters probably should be remade, if we can get it all right. We’re working on it, so we’ll see.”
Unfortunately, reporter Christina Radish didn’t follow up with the shocking statement. It’s as if it went completely unheard. If I were in that position, they’d be checking to see if I were okay after having fallen off my chair.
Etan Cohen, Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky had been working on various screenplays that would introduce a new generation of Ghostbusters (lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar).
Ah, Ghostbusters 3. I’m sure you’ll be terrible. That’s not some snarky online reflexive writing – I love to love things – but it looks like this project is just creatively circling the drain and that it’s sole reason for existing will be the cash. Fairly soon we might actually have a third film, which means the balance in the universe will have shifted. We’ll have one great Ghostbusters and two bad ones. And now one thing’s for sure – Bill Murray Won’t Be In It. We all knew that was coming, but here it really is. Once Dan Aykroyd admits to this, that means the last person on earth who was holding out hope has finally given in.
Last month, on the heels of this report, Men in Black 3 scribe Etan Cohen was been tapped to rewrite the sequel for the studio. He was supposed to be rewriting the draft that “The Office” scribes Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky were hired to write in Setember 2008.
Except now it appears he’s been writing a draft, on Dan Aykroyd’s marching orders, without Murray’s character Peter Venkman. When Metro asked Aykroyd if Murray would be in the film he replied, “No, I can tell you he won’t be involved..” He continued, “It’s sad but we’re passing it on to a new generation. Ghostbusters 3 can be a successful movie without Bill. My preference would be to have him involved but at this point he doesn’t seem to be coming and we have to move on. It’s time to make the third one.”
The plan remains to have the old Ghostbusters pass the torch to a new bunch of rapscallions. Excited? *Oh and I would hope Peter Venkman isn’t in the script. How sad would it be if they got someone else to play him?
After over a year of jabbing by Bill Murray (who apparently shredded one of the scripts and mailed it to the producers), and watching Dan Aykroyd talk around the issue, something official has been announced regarding Columbia Pictures’ long gestured Ghostbusters 3.
On the heels of this report, Variety reveals that Men in Black 3 scribe Etan Cohen has been tapped to rewrite the sequel for the studio.
“The Office” scribes Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky were hired in Setember 2008 to revive the blockbuster franchise that started in 1984 with Ivan Reitman’s Ghostbusters. At the time, the supernatural action-comedy was Columbia Pictures’ highest-grossing film ever, until it was beaten by Men in Black and then Spider-Man.
Third installment is expected to find original castmembers Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson and Bill Murray passing the torch to a new generation of ghostbusters. It begins when a ragtag group of paranormal researchers reopen their notorious ghost removal service, and a new generation of Ghostbusters is brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar. Who knows what Cohen will do to the existing screenplay.
Cohen previously wrote Ben Stiller’s Tropic Thunder and Mike Judge’s Idiocracy. He’s also attached to make his directorial debut with Paramount’s horror-comedy Boy Scouts vs. Zombies, which follows three high school Boy Scouts who must use their skills to save their small town from a vicious zombie outbreak.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – Bill Murray will probably never reunite with Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd and Ernie Hudson for Ghostbusters 3. I’m not sure if he hints that he’ll do it out of a genuine sense of curiostiy in the project (or paycheck) or if he just likes seeing how high Aykroyd will jump to accomodate the possibility.
Apparently Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky are no longer involved with the script and new – unnamed – talent has been attached. Aykroyd told ABC, “”new writing staff working on it now. It’s got to be perfect. That’s the whole thing. There’s no point in doing it unless it’s perfect.”
This comes on the heels of the comment Murray made to David Letterman last month, “You just have to have a really good script, you know, it’s hard. I think, you know, we’ll try again.” But if you watch the video of that, his eyes aren’t exactly brimming with enthusiasm.
Columbia Pictures had hoped to tell the story of a ragtag group of paranormal researchers whom reopen their notorious ghost removal service, with a new generation of Ghostbusters brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar. Perhaps those plans have changed depending on whether or not the new guys are polishing Eisner and Stupnitsky’s previous draft or are building a new one from the ground up.
Bill Murray will probably never reunite with Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd and Ernie Hudson for Ghostbusters 3. Yet he occasionally will dole out some kind of info and dangle the carrot a little bit. Does he like f*cking with Dan Aykroyd that much? Maybe. In the below interview with David Letterman he seems to be considering the prospect when he says, “we’ll try again.” But, honestly, I just don’t think it’s in the cards.
Columbia Pictures hopes to tell the story of a ragtag group of paranormal researchers whom reopen their notorious ghost removal service, with a new generation of Ghostbusters brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar. Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver have both been closely connected to the project.
I personally hope Ghostbusters 3 never happens. I love the first movie but, at this point, a third is something we only think we want. When we finally get it (if ever), we’ll hate it. I think Murray is being smart about this one, his trepidations are well founded.
My home town WGN recently interviewed the elusive Bill Murray who has once again reinvigorated our hopes of seeing him reunite with Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd and Ernie Hudson for Ghostbusters 3. He also shared his aspirations to see the Cubs win the World Series. Which is more likely? Probably neither…
After stating his high expectations for the Cubs, Murray doesn’t duck the question about the long gestured Ghostbusters sequel that’s been allegedly held up due to Murray being “difficult” (this includes reports of him shredding the script and sending it back to Ackroyd). When asked about reuniting with his ghost bustin’ group, he replied, “Well, it’s a possibility.”
It’s unfortunate that we’re at the point of dissecting every little word that comes out of the comedian’s mouth, but by not being immediately dismissive it does keep fan’s hopes alive.
Columbia Pictures hopes to tell the story of a ragtag group of paranormal researchers whom reopen their notorious ghost removal service, with a new generation of Ghostbusters brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar. Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver have both been closely connected to the project. READ MORE
It has been a whopping 13 years since Dan Aykroyd wrote an early draft for Ghostbusters 3, which would eventually transform into the version penned by “Office” writers Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky about a new generation of ‘busters. Over the past few years the Columbia-produced sequel has hit snag after snag, leading up to various internet rumors surrounding Bill Murray. The fact is, he’s too busy with life to star, and Aykroyd respects that…
“I honestly don’t know. At this point it’s in suspended animation,” Aykroyd tells the Daily Telegraph in response to . “The studio, the director Ivan Reitman and Harold Ramis feel there must be a way to do it, but Bill Murray will not do the movie. He doesn’t want to be involved. He’s got six kids, houses all over America. He golfs in these tournaments where they pay him to turn up and have a laugh. He’s into this life and living it. I know we’d have a lot of fun [but] I can’t be mad at him. He’s a friend first, a colleague second. We have a deep personal relationship that transcends business and he doesn’t want to know.”
He’s recently begun to consider recasting Murray’s role with another actor. It’s also been suggested that he could return as a CGI ghost…
“We’re not going to do a movie that exploits the franchise. The script has to be perfect. I’m the cheerleader, but I’m only one voice in the matter. It’s a surety that Bill Murray will not do the movie, however there is still interest from the studio.”
The article visually described Aykroyd’s look as “pained.” Hopefully they can just suck it up and move on without Murray, or at least officially can the sequel so we can stop speculating. READ MORE
Here we go again.
Empire recently hosted a webchat with Dan Aykroyd who once again talked about Ghostbusters 3, and the rumored drama circling the long-gestured Columbia Pictures project.
The site reports that Aykroyd hinted that Bill Murray may not return as Peter Venkman, and that the character could be played by a different actor, a la Jack Ryan. As for the internet rumor that Murray recently shredded a Ghostbusters 3 script and sent it back with a note that said, “No-one wants to pay money to see fat, old men chasing ghosts”, Aykroyd denied it with vigour. “Bill Murray is not capable of such behavior. This is simply something that would not be in his nature. We have a deep, private personal relationship that transcends business. We communicate frequently and his position on the involvement in Ghostbusters 3 has been made clear and I respect that. But Bill has too much positive estimation of my writing skills to shred the work.”
As for the delay, he explains, “The script must be perfect. We cannot release a film that is any less than that. We have more work to do.”
Confirming earlier reports, Aykroyd also drops this juicy nugget about a returning character – the reclusive Rick Moranis as Louis Tully: “ If we can get the script to Ghostbusters 3 right, then it would definitely have Moranis as a major component. None of us would want to do the movie without having him as a participant.”
If the film ever gets off the ground it will follow a ragtag group of paranormal researchers who reopen their notorious ghost removal service, and a new generation of Ghostbusters is brought on board to be green slimed and trained to contain the mischievous spirits. We previously reported that the new ‘Busters will be lead by Dana and Peter’s lovechild, Oscar. READ MORE
As much as I scoff at the National Enquirer, I’ve always believed strongly that there’s a small bit of truth in everything they report. Living in Los Angeles the past decade as sort of made this belief more prevalent.
With that said, the tabloid trash mag is reporting on some pretty insane Ghostbusters III news that should (maybe) be taken with a grain of salt.
As previously reported, Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Sigourney Weaver and Harold Ramis had all agreed to rebirth the Ghostbusters franchise – but Murray, who’s got script approval, kept refusing to take producers’ phone calls after they’d send rewrites.
But here’s the kicker, the site is reporting that after they sent him the latest reworked screenplay weeks ago, Murray fired back his shocking answer – nailing the coffin shut forever – by sending Dan and Harold a box containing the new script SHREDDED into confetti, along with this nasty note: “No one wants to pay money to see fat, old men chasing ghosts!”
Insiders say furious Dan and Harold vow that Bill’s off their “who ya gonna call” list forever – and they’ll make the movie WITHOUT him! YIKES. Aykroyd eluded to this back on August 25. Maybe now they’ll take Winston Zeddemore a bit more seriously?
Good news is that it sounds as if the spring start date will be met, too bad it’ll be without the spine of the old ghost bustin’ crew. READ MORE
*Update: Hodgman cleared up this rumor pretty quickly via Twitter stating: “I AM NOT APPEARING IN GHOSTBUSTERS 3. Nor is @scharpling. That was a radio #fakecastingnews joke.” Funny.
io9 discovered that on the latest episode of “The Best Show” on WFMU, Tom Scharpling and John Hodgman talked a great deal about Ghostbusters 3, where Hodgman revealed that he’s currently doing some “secret errands” for Dan Aykroyd — and heavily implied his involvement in the film.
Further into the conversation, Hodgman polled the audience about his hypothetical predicament:
“If you were hypothetically offered a role in ‘Ghostbusters 3′… would you take the role? Let’s say you’re [playing] sort of the dissolute son of Egon, the Harold Ramis character, and you’re kind of like John Candy in ‘Splash’, you’re kind of a mess. But it turns out you’re a natural ghost-whisperer, a natural psychic. But here’s the thing: Bill Murray’s not going to be in this movie, and probably not happy that you are. But you get to be in a major role, in a major movie and one of the greatest franchises of all time. Would you do it?”
That’s some seriously insane stuff right there. Can you imagine Aziz Ansari and John Hodgman as two of the new Ghost Busters? Too bad about Murray, it’s unfortunate that it sounds like he’s pretty much out at this point. Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Rick Moranis and Sigourney Weaver are all rumored to return with Ivan Reitman confirmed to direct.
After years of near silence, Dan Aykroyd exploded on “The Dennis Miller Show” in regards to Columbia Pictures’ long delayed Ghostbusters 3, which he states will shoot in the spring of 2012 no matter what happens with the casting (in reference to Bill Murray’s contant lack of cooperation).
“Yes, we will be doing the movie and hopefully with Mr. Murray,” he says, “That is our hope. We have an excellent script. What we have to remember is that ‘Ghostbusters’ is bigger than any one component, although Billy was absolutely the lead and contributive to it in a massive way, as was the director and Harold [Ramis], myself and Sigourney [Weaver]. The concept is much larger than any individual role and the promise of ‘Ghostbusters 3′ is that we get to hand the equipment and the franchise down to new blood.”
As for his character, and the new plot, Aykroyd reveals quite a bit of fresh juice: “My character, Ray, is now blind in one eye and can’t drive the cadillac,” he says, “He’s got a bad knee and can’t carry the packs… Egon is too large to get into the harness. We need young blood and that’s the promise. We’re gonna hand it to a new generation.”
While we reported last week that the studio is looking at Aziz Ansari for a role, Aykroyd has someone specific in mind: “I like this guy Matthew Gray Gubler from the ‘Criminal Minds’ show,” he adds, “But there’s going to be a casting. We’re going to see everyone that wants to do it. We’re going to need… three guys and a young woman.” Thanks to Shocktillyoudrop for the transcriptions.
What do you guys think at this point?