Obama Allocates Funds To Research Relationship Between Violent Media And Violence

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After the tragedy at an elementary school in Newtown, CT that claimed the lives of twenty-eight people, including twenty children and eight adults, the country’s been struggling to come up with a way to keep something like that from ever happening again. It certainly wasn’t the first mass shooting in the states, or even the biggest, but the young age of a majority of the victims involved has made it one of the most jarring. It should come as no surprise that violent media has been targeted as a potential cause for the tragedy — video games in particular have been thrust into the spotlight after practically every shooting since Doom was partially blamed for Columbine back in 1999.

Last month, NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre decided to shamelessly shovel the blame onto the gaming industry yet again, saying “there exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.” Interestingly enough, earlier this week the NRA released a game on iOS that teaches players how to use a gun and — until Apple stepped in to re-rate it — was intended for players ages four and up. Apparently, irony is lost on the NRA. More after the break.

All this is a long-winded way of building up to the actual news, which broke earlier this week after Vice President Joe Biden held a meeting with several games industry professionals, including the heads of Electronic Arts, Activision Blizzard, Epic Games, GameStop, Take-Two, as well as the ESA and ESRB that are responsible for rating and classifying video games. The focus of the meeting was to have an intelligent discussion about existing research on the effects video games have on people and potential ways for the gaming industry to improve its image among the non-gamer population. In case you missed it, here’s a snippet taken from the meeting:

On Wednesday, President Obama laid out 23 gun violence related executive actions including the allocation of funds so the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can conduct further research into the link, if any, between violent media and violence.

There’s already plenty of research into this very topic, but something like this could end up quieting those who would like to see violent movies and/or video games censored or stricter regulation on their distribution. If you don’t think something like that could happen, it already is. A new bill has already been introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives that would require ratings labels on video games that say “exposure to violent video games has been linked to aggressive behavior,” and would “prohibit the sales and rentals of adult-rated video games to minors.”

  • Beezle2112

    I read this article, particularly the last paragraph, and I am reminded of something I heard about the music industry back when the explicit language labels came about. To paraphrase; if you want to sell 10,000 more units of your record, make sure you get a language sticker placed on it. Those warnings will turn into ‘Buy this game! It is brutal!’ advertising.
    Retailers need to be a bit more strict on selling anything to consumers, even if they have a right to own it. Yes, you may own a gun, or an ultra-violent game, or even strychnine, but, as a retailer, I have to right to refuse to sell it to you for your safety or the safety of the community.
    That said, I can’t wait for to kill some humans, elves, dwarves, and other species, both real and fantasy, in the MMO I like to play.

  • djblack1313

    i’m perfectly fine with this. at least it’s not “ban all video games/violent movies, etc”. i trust & like Obama. i’m not worried about the horror genre or video games. i’m not at all a gamer so i can’t really speak on what would or wouldn’t be a good idea concerning games.

  • divisionbell

    Wow what an absolute wondeful waste of time and a complete lie. Violent video games do not lead to aggressive behavior. Maybe aggressive people like violent video games? But who cares when things like this allow people to put the blame on anyone and anything but the actual problem.

    The disturbingly funny part is they’re going to do all this work and spend all that money, and people are still going to die. Maybe one day they’ll learn to work on the real issues in life.

    • skinwakers

      my mom says “people kill people,not guns”. you will always have crazy psycho people.even if he knew that he would still get the government to kill all them.he don’t care.he ain’t even American.this country is so stupid and GULLIBLE.why spend money on this and other stupid things when our country is financially FAILING?

  • divisionbell

    Wow what an absolute wondeful waste of time and tax payer money. Violent video games do not lead to aggressive behavior. Maybe aggressive people like violent video games? But who cares when things like this allow people to put the blame on anyone and anything but the actual problem.

    The disturbingly funny part is they’re going to do all this work and spend all that money, and people are still going to die. Maybe one day they’ll learn to work on the real issues in life.

    • weresmurf

      Your answer is exactly why it does need to be done.

      In this day and age, videogames are the number one form of entertainment worldwide. The current forms of research performed in this realm rely on the mistaken ideal that correlation equals causation. We live in a world where people roll their eyes now at the plausibility that the over consumption of Mcdonalds = weight-gain… people will say ‘Ok, you eat McDonalds, but do you exercise? Do you eat OTHER fatty foods? Do OTHER factors contribute to this?’ It’s now, the first stop along the questioning highway. Not ‘MACCAS MADE ME FAT!’ People do not listen to that any more.

      However, in terms of Videogames, we’re still at that initial scarefactor. “GAMES MADE ME MURDER/VIOLENT” is where we are, we’re at the stage where Maccas=Fatness. Other factors, realistic factors are not being taken into account. Societal factors, such as the overall gun culture, the lack of mental healthcare, criminal convictions etc, rarely if ever make it to the media when violence happens, just that ‘HE PLAYED MASS EFFECT!’ As seen with the recent shootings in those childrens schools.

      As a gamer, like I am, you should welcome this study. It will reveal that which we have known for a long, long time. Correlation does not equal causation, videogames do not cause violence. Yes, children should not be exposed to inappropriate games but that’s more on the parents side of things, but there are a veritable ocean of factors to take into account before blaming The Master Chief and the Sarge from Doom for the latest school shooting out there…

      So bring on the study, we’ve got NOTHING to be afraid of.

      The NRA however…

      • djblack1313

        weresmurf, excellent post.

      • spartan87

        Your post was very inciteful and well written. Kudos to you sir. I personally think that spending a bunch of tax payers money to research the correlation between violence and videogames is a waste of time. But in the long run at least then there will be proof available indicating that it’s not the games fault for the psychopaths that shoot and kill innocent people.
        To many indiividuals these days just want an outlet to blame for all the senseless chaos and destruction thats going on. I understand why so many do this, even if it is wrong. In my honest opinion I think a huge problem is that parents are taking more active roles in guiding there children as they grow up.

  • Kwonkicker

    Yawn.

  • ThunderDragoon

    I’m fine with there being an extra label on video games. The moment I’d object is if they ever tried banning video games. Good to know I don’t have to move to Canada anytime soon lol.

  • menoch

    And so once again the point is completely missed and every thing else is blamed except the actual problem; easy access to guns. The UK, Canada and here in Australia all have access to the same violent games and movies yet none of these countries experience mass shootings that the US does. Why? Because all said countries have much tighter gun control laws.

    • WalkingDeadGuy

      Exactly, until the day when we can spot the crazies from the rest, we need to make sure certain fire arms are not available to the general public. Video games are not to blame, however, as mentioned above, having an extra disclaimer on the video game packaging is not so bad. I just hope we don’t lose sight of what needs to really be improved…gun control AND better/more school counselors and stronger anti-bullying laws.

      • weresmurf

        While I definitely agree about the school issue, the Gun Laws and lack of mental health support issue I would put at the top of the list. (Im studying to become a teacher, its quite important to me.)

      • skinwakers

        i’m in middle school and have a sister in the primary and elementary schools and our school district takes anti-bullying VERY seriously.every month we (the middle school) has an anti-bullying meeting.i think it is kind of stupid, but thats cause i have to listen to and do the most boring things.the last meeting we had they showed us Oprah (REALLY!!!!,luckily i had to go somewhere because i was possibly in the spelling bee and missed her).also,with music,there is freedom of speech so the bands can’t get in trouble for what they say,but with games it kind of feels like they are taking away our freedom,telling us we have to be a certain age to play.all my games are rated M,except for a few that are rated T.my mom doesn’t care as long as it’s not sex.WHAT ABOUT BOOKS WITH GORE AND VIOLENCE?EVERYONE’S ENCOURAGING KIDS TO READ,RIGHT?EVER SEEN A BOOK WITH A “VIOLENCE/GORE” RATING?i haven’t

    • AfterTheAsylum

      I respectfully disagree. Gun control is not a solution. We are supposed to have guns for a very important reason, which is to assemble a militia and retake our government back when it is no longer in the interest of the people. The massacres happen in schools because it is one place where a shooter will not have much resistance or threat. Look at the man in China who went into a school and stabbed 22 kids. The violence will happen regardless. Disarming the people, even regulating, leaves the people helpless. A man with a plan has the advantage, but a firearm increases his own risk. Look at what happened in Poland with Germany in 1943. The people were overtaken and had to get arms dealt in from surrounding countries in their own sewers. When Germany retreated from Russia, guess who fought back? The US has arms solely SOLELY to fight our government if we have to and as the saying goes, you “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.” What they have, we should have. And people who talk about AR-15s and how they shouldn’t be available to the public: Lanza’s jammed and he never got to fire it, and carrying two Glock pistols will give you the same amount of rounds as an assault rifle. Tragedies will always happen and with any freedom comes a certain cost. As Benjamin Franklin said, “Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve not freedom nor security.” I understand what you are saying and I think your heart sings true, but it is also potentially dangerous. Most of us will thankfully never have to use our firearms, but it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Plus, gun control only hurts law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

      • weresmurf

        The man stabbed 22 children. Not one child died. Think about that.

      • weresmurf

        Aftertheasylum: That has to be the most contrived load of bullshit I’ve read this year. Do you *actually* believe anything you wrote there???? Seriously???

        • AfterTheAsylum

          Then take the time to pick it apart. Yet you clearly lack the faculties to defend your own response. Good thing you plan on being a teacher. When someone disagrees with you, you just swear and throw some empty words which lack any content whatsoever. Save the students and find a different profession because they will be far better off without someone like you.

          • weresmurf

            I don’t ‘clearly lack anything’. The amount of attention I give to your post will show the amount of contempt I have for your inane logic. I feel no need to ‘pick apart’ your post, as is a common trend on the internet. You have the right to your beliefs, as warped and backward as they are.

      • PeteyHalfSox

        Thank you for this posting, I completely agree with you

      • K-Dogg

        I am so glad I live in Canada…people like After Asylum scare the living hell out of me.

      • Boonraiser

        I think you’ve watched Red Dawn too many times. So if all those children were allowed to have guns at school they would have been safe from disturbed gun nuts? I’m glad the few Americans I know are actually sane, rational humans beings. No offence to the other Americans on here that don’t lack common sense.

        • AfterTheAsylum

          Yes. Let’s arm everyone right from the womb. That is exactly what I said. That is sarcasm by the way.

          There is no guarantee for safety, ever. However, if an armed guard were located in a school, it elevates a shooter’s risk and offers a potential solution when seconds matter and the police are minutes away. The fact is that laws do not apply to criminals. If someone is screwed up enough to shoot up a school, then they will find the means to exact that damage whether they have an assault rifle, multiple pistols, homemade explosives, etc. The quickest way to decrease the number of casualties is to have a trained and armed person on the grounds.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ruthie.donnelly Evelyn Donnelly

            Yup.

      • zaglewiz

        Well said bro.

      • skinwakers

        I AGREE WITH YOU!!!i could take a knife from the kitchen right now,walk next door,and murder my retarded inbred neighbors(not exaggerating).they burn who knows what and all they do is rev engines all day.IF i did,i would be in juvy,on the news and everywhere,but would they do anything about kitchen knives?no.i read somewhere that Dave Mustaine said the government was killing people to get the gun ban act passed or something like that.i agree with that too.call me crazy i don’t care i probably am.he also said Obama ain’t american. i agree with that too.this country’s too gullible.

  • AfterTheAsylum

    This is such a sham. The research will never have a definitive cause-effect relationship. Does media create these people or do these Tuesday of people gravitate towards specific media? Now, I will concede that younger children are affected based solely on the way we grow and learn (through mimicry), but as we develop we fall out of mimicry. It is around the age of 12 where we begin to move out of the concrete learning stage and into the abstract. The truth is, a large majority of people who indulge in violent media do not go on to become violent people. Look at the millions beyond millions of copies of violent games which have been sold, yet we don’t have millions of murders. In fact, over half of gun-related deaths are suicide.

    Violence, terrible violence, pre-exists all media. Media doesn’t establish moral and value systems. What media does do is give people, who want to be violent, an avenue on how to execute their violence. The news is the worst culprit as it gives a realistic praise, martyrdom and a sure way that someone’s actions will bring their names to the world. News media is a dialogue, but games, movies and music are monologues.

    This entire thing is a witch hunt. It is a hollow gesture to make it seem like our government heads are making a difference.

    I would be willing to bet that violent, fantastical media not only quenches violent thirst by creating a healthy release, but actually deters people from those actions. So many forms of medical stress and anger release practice are geared toward violent acts on or with inanimate objects (as the object of violence or tool for it).

    The tragedies we incur are par for the course. That’s just what happens regardless of what people are exposed to. Murder is going to happen. Massacres are going to happen. You don’t need games, movies, guns or music for it to happen. Think about all of us here. We here on Bloody-D crave monsters, murder, guts, gore, etc. How many of us are killers? Hell, I spent years in my teens visiting sites and watching true murders, suicides, beheadings and other forms of execution (to which I haven’t for over ten years). I listen to all forms of death metal, among other genres. A huge part of my life was and still is dominated by many forms of brutality. But you know what? I donate my time helping people build homes for those in need, help out at no-kill animal shelters, work Special Olympics events, etc. Why aren’t we, why am I not, part of a murdering generation? Shouldn’t a significant amount of us be exacting our misanthropic bloodlust we were poisoned with by our form of entertainment?

    Entertainment is a tool. Some people use that tool to find joy and some use it to find something else. You don’t blame a shovel for digging a ditch that holds a body inside it. Where is our Dee Snider vs Tipper Gore for this?

    • skinwakers

      you said a couple things that made me think of when Judas Priest was blamed for like 2 suicides or something stupid like that for a song (i forget which one).they actually did a lie detector test or something like that on Rob’s voice on the song.some people think that if you play or like metal you are evil or something,but really i watch that metal show and they really seem like nice people.the only evil ones i know of are foreign,i forget where they’re from but i think someone is doing a life sentence in jail for murdering a bandmate.that might be something i got mixed up with something else though.i think i saw it on an episode of metal evolution if you want to find out.my youngest sister’s (6 yrs. old)favorite famous people are (1 being favorite):1.Marilyn Manson 2.Jani Lane (Warrant) and 3.C.C. DeVille (Poison). weird list,huh.she also likes Blackie Lawless (W.A.S.P.) but i don’t know where he falls.what you said also reminds me of the W.A.S.P./PMRC thing.i know A LOT about bands from Poison-Metallica and could talk about them ALL DAY (in case you haven’t noticed.)me and my sisters had lice b/c the youngest and my mom got mad b/c while she treated me i had Hair Nation on and that’s really all i talked about.

  • djblack1313

    you can not give one reasonably example of why it’s a MUST that people NEED high capacity magazines. you craving to go out and decimate that deer while hunting with a high capacity mag? really? i can’t believe anyone would defend the “need” to have high capacity mags or bullet piercing bullets. no one is going to take your precious guns but for fuck’s sake make it even a tiny bit more difficult for someone to (since it’s “par for the course” that massacres will happen) shoot 40 people instead of 10. at least those 30 lives will have been saved.

    • djblack1313

      oops, i meant “armor piercing rounds” not “bullet piercing bullets”. LOL.

    • WalkingDeadGuy

      I agree with you 100% djblack1313. High capacity weapons are not the answer to safety. I don’t know a lot about guns, but you don’t need a weapon like that to fight off an assailant, I will never understand why it’s such a battle to make it harder for crazy fucks to obtain such weapons. Is it really that important to have an arsenal of weapons when you can help shorten the amount of lives lost in tragic incidents like we’ve seen time and time again.

      • djblack1313

        thanx WalkingDeadGuy!

    • AfterTheAsylum

      Assault rifles hold 30. Twin pistols will hold 34+. Two trigger fingers vs 1. Easier to conceal. Even if you take the hi-cap mags away, anyone can compensate. This whole thing is about reducing casualties and reducing massacres. The best way to avert school shootings and reduce casualties inside is to have an officer inside who can respond immediately. Don’t underestimate the will and creativity of someone with nothing to lose.

      Armor piercing rounds exist because criminals, like Adam Lanza, wear bulletproof vests.

      I would like to know your thoughts on how to make it harder for crazies to get hold of guns because some of our shooters weren’t actually the purchasers of the weaponry.

      • zaglewiz

        Hell anyone can put together any type of weapon with just common sense. You can take pipes laying around in the garage and make a gun, pipe bomb, or spear for fucks sake to inflict damage. Regardless no matter what if its a knife, brass knuckles, guns, Adventures in Babysitting, folks are going to just find another means of destroying something in one way or another. Go ahead and ban guns and give them some inspiration to build bombs instead.

        • skinwakers

          WHAT YOU SAID IS JUST LIKE MY MOM!!!she says if you take away guns people are just gonna find a way to make a bomb.

      • WalkingDeadGuy

        That’s exactly my point, we don’t know who the crazies are, therefore, we shouldn’t make it easy for them to get a guns like this. This may not solve all gun related crimes, of course, but it couldn’t hurt. If that guys mother wouldn’t have been able to buy those weapons, he may not have had anything to carry out his horrific plan.

        • AfterTheAsylum

          But then you are stripping away guns from law-abiding citizens. That’s the issue. The law-abiding citizens aren’t the ones who are being creative, so now we are making the regular person even more helpless. Most people who own guns (latest ownership stat I saw was 88 out of 100) are responsible. So we are going to punish the majority because of a very, very small minority? Alcohol-related deaths dwarf gun-violence (which is different than gun deaths), so why don’t we ban alcohol? Or should we just ban high alcohol content booze? You don’t cut off a leg because of a gangrenous toe.

          • djblack1313

            AfterTheAsylum, you just don’t get it. so you not being able to go out and buy a high capacity mag is REALLY going to hurt you? yes, you may have to make a sacrifice with your precious high cap mags if it will save even a couple of lives. but again, you just don’t get it.

            WalkindDeadGuy, i agree w/ YOU 100%!

          • AfterTheAsylum

            No, DJ. I get what you are saying. What I am saying is that hi-cap doesn’t make a difference. It doesn’t save anyone because two, more concealable pistols carry more bullets than a hi-cap magazine. And with two pistols comes two trigger fingers and twice the coverage as far as spread goes. So no, it doesn’t save anything or anyone.

            And for the record, you can stop acting like I see my hi-cap magazines as precious (hyperbolic and misleading) because I do not have hi-caps nor do I own an assault rifle. It’s called devil’s advocate. Stop feeling and start thinking.

          • skinwakers

            sorry dudes,i’m with aftertheasylum.

  • JoeR

    What a monumental waste of money. It’s not going to tell us anything we don’t already know. Then again, Obama is really good at wasting money. If only he was as good at balancing the budget as he is at campaigning with his low-life friends like Jay-Z who hosted a campaign fundraiser. What a hypocrite to point at media violence yet associate with someone who produces music that encourages negative stereotypes about women and violence.

    • skinwakers

      THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!SOMEONE THAT UNDERSTANDS!!!!!then again,the only people i talk about politics with is my friends and they’re 13.i’m 12 but my birthdays in august so i’m the youngest.

  • Evil_Flip

    It’s not the video games, the movies or the music. Or even the guns. It’s the people. and with the rise in social media, phones etc. people can and/or are distancing themselves from eachother. Sure it’s easier to ‘reach’ someone, but it’s at a huge distance and through a filter. With social media and such, you don’t know what’s going on with your ‘friends’. He (or she) could be posting pictures of kittens while slowly sinking into a some violent mental state and no-one would be the wiser. I could tell you all I loved you, but you wouldn’t know that while typing it I’m actually raping mister Squigles (my hamster). 10 of 20 years ago we would meet, hang out, talk (because you didn’t have those ‘social’ things and calling someone wasn’t cheap either) and then it would be way easier for people to recognize it when something is wrong. Not to mention that through this same media it’s easier to get a hold of things or how to make them yourself a lot easier. (ps. don’t worry about mr. Squigles, he likes it rough)

    • zaglewiz

      For fucks sake man! I was worried about Mr. Squigles until the very end :D Glad to hear he’s doing swell.

    • skinwakers

      it kinda depends on what age group your talking about.adults,yes,but if your talking about todays kids,no.if they’re like actually little (3-8 maybe) they don’t have anything to worry about, but for kids my age (i’m 12) no.you see,i don’t have a phone,facebook,twitter,or any Apple products (no apps to text/call people) and my friends make fun of me and other people are like WHAT!!??that could drive a kid into depression,which leads to not many friends,which leads to a kid in their basement every friday/saturday night planning how to destroy the world,doing “experiments” on mr.squigles,or,like you said,raping mr.squigles.you never know what goes on in basements!my point is,if you don’t have any social stuff,you’re considered an outcast which you never know what will happen next.

  • TrixieMalicious

    I just hope that they remember correlation does not equal causation

  • coldblood

    Doing a little research, you guys will learn that in the 1950′s people used to blame violence on comic books. Not long after, people blamed sexual behavior in young women on Elvis swinging his hips.

    Where’s the funds to research bullying in schools, parents abusing their children, and how to more quickly identify dangerous mental illness in people? Isn’t it more likely that those three things produce these killers?

    Violence has been around for centuries before there ever was an entertainment industry. This ‘research’ is a pointless waster of time – and money.

    One last thing: I will never understand how a racist and always paranoid group like the NRA has got so much clout in this country. And how they can consider themselves good Americans when they defend their ideals the loudest – always right after a school shooting.

    • K-Dogg

      Well said cold blood!!

      • coldblood

        Thanks buddy. It really boils down to common sense:

        If someone told you there were a bunch of video gamers in your front yard you’d laugh.

        If someone told you the NRA was in your front yard you’d be going “holy crap, I’m going to get shot!!!”

  • DeathValzer

    ‘Merica!

    • BurnTheBlueSky

      Best comment goes to…..!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.turney.58 Joshua Turney

    I feel like this is the beginning of Idiocracy.

    • Mintica90s

      or the end of common sense.

  • Boss-Ski-Mask

    Stay away from my slasher movies, Obama.

    • skinwakers

      i’m surprised that’s not the 1st thing he would do.

  • lovezoid

    ‘A new bill has already been introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives that would require ratings labels on video games that say “exposure to violent video games has been linked to aggressive behavior,”…’

    How about issuing T-shirts to bad parents saying ‘exposure to ME has been linked to aggressive behaviour’

    • skinwakers

      nice (the shirt thing).also,WHO SAYS “exposure to violent video games have been linked to aggressive behavior”?its a stereotype,like metal and violence!REALIZE THAT YOU RETARDED PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!how did we get to this?the reason we’re all violent is because THEY are taking away our feeling of freedom.LET US LIVE LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE,WE DON’T NEED 2 PARENTS!!!

  • Venom-man4

    How is putting a extra sticker on the game going to change anything? Also not selling M rated games to kids is nothing new. Besides parents will still keep buying the games for they’re kids if they can’t get it themselves anyway. I guess next they will be wanting stores to hide the M rated games out of sight kinda how video/bookstores will hide the porn in the back somewhere. I don’t want to see that happen either. It comes down to parenting and making sure people know fiction from real life. Don’t blame the games when they are so many other factors that can come into play.

    • darkscarecrow

      Good comment. Well said.

      • skinwakers

        i have like 6 XBox games i think(sad i know)and at least half are rated M,the rest T.i got batman,left 4 dead,harry potter,red dead redemption (i’m not actually allowed to play it though),a hunting game (it comes with a gun controller-Obama must LOVE that) and sherlock holmes (lets just say a bishop drank poison went crazy,started eating his arm and bit off the finger of one of the people that gave him the poison,his feet were burned and i got to examine his body and took the finger.he was also scratched and his fingers were crushed and twisted.i got in trouble for showing my 6 yr. old sister this.sick i know).i also got X-Com:Enemy Unknown.this is just like the PMRC again.its gonna make me want to buy those things that are “inappropriate”.its the it always was and will be.i have hear 3/15ths of the filthy 15,but i like judas priest,motley crue,black sabbath,ac/dc,and possessed sounds cool so i will probably listen to those band’s “filthy” songs.when i go to school,i get W.A.S.P.’s Animal not gonna say the next part stuck in my head.and harder faster.when i visited my great grandmom at the old people home while she was recovering i got body talk by kix stuck in my head.

  • nohandtyper

    Let’s just consider the fact that between 1998 and 2005, gun violence in the UK skyrocketed 340%. What changed? The Parliament banned guns in 1997.

    A study done in 2007 compared gun ownership and murder rates in almost every European country when this issue was hot over there. The study found that countries with more gun ownership had fewer murders, while countries with less gun ownership/regulation had significantly more murders.

    Don’t argue the correlation vs. causation principle with me. I’m an actuary and statistician. I know far more about that than most of you do combined. I’m just restating the results of some studies for you guys to chew on.

    Sources:

    David Leppard, “Minister Covered Up Gun Crime,” London Times, August 26, 2007, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ news/uk/crime/article2328368.ece

    Don B. Kates and Barry Mauser, “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence,” Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy 30, no. 2 (2007): 651-94

    • Mintica90s

      yeah , but as the old saying goes that anything that is studied eventually changes.

      • nohandtyper

        Never heard that saying…

        While it may be true that things change, the gun violence in the UK is still growing in recent years. That’s almost 15 years of skyrocketing gun violence.

        • Mintica90s

          well I dont know why gun violence got out of control in the UK , but even if that’s the case , why didnt they prevented this kind of disaster? what does it really take to get people to find any possible way of preventing peoples lives being hurt without putting non-gun based factors on the table by first blaming violent media or any other blame. they continue to dance around the subject while people are being shot and killed every year , in reality. if you watch the news , people are still going bonkers because they fear that they are living under a tyrants rule by comparring our leaders to stallen , or fildastro , or even hitler. there was one guy who said that 1715 will commence again if they took away all of our guns. but that;s exactly what the situation is. this is the real problem. and that’s exactly the point in the statement I left bellow. it’s their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future that prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present.

  • nohandtyper

    That first link from my sources is down. Use this one if you’d like to read it: http://www.btfh.net/shoot/uk_gun_control/article-3.html

  • Mintica90s

    personally , I find the entire argument rediculous. to think that video games are the #1 cause of violence in our country is starting to become an old and cliched excuse. just because the majority of people believe it , that doesnt make it true. the topic of gun violence is based on non-gun arguments.

    here’s the problem : technology has democratized carnage. and part of the reason why they havent done much about fun control is not based on violent media or the mental health or god , it’s that gun rights activists’ paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us Americans from addressing our actual dystopic present.

    you want a more open minded way of looking at this topic , check these links out. I may not be the best expert in the world , but it’s the best I can possibly do:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter—gun-control

  • Mintica90s

    “we are a nation of over-reactors to everything. we have step by step childproof this entire country. 20 years ago , someone threw a rock on a overpass and it hit a car windsheild and now every overpass in the country is like a half a trail. football stadiums have giants nets behind the goal post so you dont get hit by the ball your suppose to be watching. “

    • Mintica90s

      “here’s the problem. technology has democratized carnage. and it’s weird to me that some gun enthusists wont even entertain the idea of common sense law enforcement supported small bore sort to speak moves to try to rain in this violence.”

    • nohandtyper

      Agreed.

    • nohandtyper

      The “Agreed” was in response to the over-reacting comment.

      The second comment doesn’t make grammatical sense, so I wont respond to that.

      • Mintica90s

        everything that I posted isnt mine to credit for. if you checked the link above , that is where I got most of the comments I made. the fact is that what is being sad about gun violence are non-gun based factors and that some of the laws that they passed they cant even introduced small ideas to slowly stop this kind of gun violence. were not asking for a instant problem solving protectile beam , but at least introduce small steps to eventually stop this level of gun violence instead of what we have now.

  • Mintica90s

    “we have constitutional freedom the right to keep in bare arms in this country”.

    “yeah. for a well regulated melitia. not a personal arsinel free for all. there’s all sorts of stuff you cant have already. tanks. f-16 fighter jets. surface to air anything. when “that” constitution was written , people…had muskets.”

    • Mintica90s

      “so this really isnt about the constituion or efficacy of regulation or intruder defense , it’s about how parlously close some people in this country feel their living under a tyrants rule. but now I get it. now I see what’s happening. so this is what it is. their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us from addressing its actual dystopic present.we cant even begin to address 30,000 gun deaths that are actually , in reality , happening in this country every year. because a few of us must remain vigilant against the rise of imaginary hitler. “

    • nohandtyper

      All of the amendments have evolved with technology. The fourth amendment protects against unreasonable searches. Back then, that was the police arriving at your house and asking to come inside unwarranted. The fourth amendment now stops us from taking thermal images of your house from a helicopter to detect drug-making equipment. Again, the amendments have evolved in meaning as technology evolves. Why is it that the technology of guns shouldn’t be included?

      • Mintica90s

        because people cant control it. sure , laws can improove with technology and visa versa , but you can use that kind of power if you cant control it. if a person takes someone elses life into their hands , then the very idea of allowing everyone that right is even more questionable. not everyone is fully trained to use guns and most ordinary citizens are not fully prepared for this kind of violence. you cant continue to put all of the blame of violent media , or the mentally disabled , or god. it’s human lives that are at stake and the lack of action from our own leaders that are part of why we cant even solve this kind of problem.

      • Mintica90s

        in other words , there is no power without control. and if people cannot even control how they speak to people , then what makes you think they can control themselves from using guns? a gun is a gun no matter how many times you upgrade it. and even if they continue to blame media or god or the majority of human beings or even comparing us to dictators , it makes no diffence. I personally dont start blaming or judging people based on sex , race , age , religion , it ultimatley doesnt matter. anyone can go out and buy a gun , but they cant control themselves from how they use it. a gun is only as dangerous as the person weilding it. and if one person even takes one life , then it becomes a huge problem , and we cant continue to ignore it. and I think most people cannot even have this kind of discussion because they are still hopelessly dependent on protecting an age old law that makes it increasing harder to even address this kind of problem or even beginning to take steps to eventually prevent it from ever happening in the first place. in this kind of argument , everyone is to blame for it , and no one did anything to stop it.

  • skinwakers

    okay i’m just gonna leave my opinion about all this and i don’t care what you guys think.i think Obama and his wife should stay out of our f*cking business.his wife just goes “you’re fat,you’re a fat kid,you make our country look bad,let’s jump rope let’s change cookie monster into veggie monster,blah,blah,blah” all Obama does is spend our money and screw the country.your children and grandchildren are f*cked cause he ain’t helpin us.if he had a plan why didn’t he use it 4 yrs. ago? he ain’t even American.when you talk about the government they can make you literally drop off the face of the Earth.they can take you,delete all your information,so how hard is it for them to change a birth certificate.i think WE the people don’t have a gun problem,but most of it is the government doing it.notice how you only hear about kids getting shot,or massive attacks?they are setting it up.say whatever the f*ck you want to about me i don’t care.i’m probably gonna go to jail because someone found out i was THINKING NOT DOING about how to kill people.you see,i take a killer i hear about,real or not,and i see what they did wrong and try to fix it so they won’t get caught.i kind of want to try it,but i know not to.maybe i shouldn’t have said that.it’s not hurting anyone and probably won’t.so i’m sick and twisted.so what?you can’t change me or my thoughts.don’t you people see that it’s not about what kind of gun we have or use,what kind of music we listen to,or what kind of games we play,its the fact that they want to ban what we enjoy.they are trying to get everyone the same.the apocalypse wasn’t meant to be anything with the land,aliens,or zombies,it’s the leaders.Obama is wasting money on stupid stuff.other countries depend on us to help them (those annoying commercials trying to get you to sponsor a child-my dad died and we’re poor but we got money when he 1st died and the rest was earned/holiday money).if our country fails even more,they will start dying.if they start dying,there will be no more humans (babies and elderly are 1st to die).another thing they do is tell us what to eat.i bet the “meat” the give us at school isn’t real.they put fiber in it and now i can eat 5 fiber bars and not have to s*it.there’s so much wrong with this country i could go on forever.if i ever murdered anybody,i would use a knife or something even more easier to get to show you don’t need a gun to kill people.why don’t you get us out of the depression this country is in?oh wait YOU DON’T CARE.his kids are spoiled,his wife is really insulting fat people of America,and Obama is tying it all together.i don’t know how you can vote for him unless you’re black,no offense to anyone with anything i just said.freedom of speech,and that is my opinion.i can’t talk about politics or i get furious and need to try to calm myself down.my social studies teacher makes us watch a kids news thing and they talk about him a lot.it makes me sick seeing all those teens who don’t know a thing about politics giving there opinion.i don’t know everything,but i probably listen more than they do.i believe we are 16.3 trillion dollars in debt and 16.5 is the top for us.i forget what happens after that.i’ve always kind of wondered what leaders from colonial times would think if they were here.there’s a bunch of Megadeth songs that are political believe it is the 1st things he says in Symphony of Destruction is “You take a mortal man and put him in control.Watch him become a god…”that really applies here (USA),anytime,anywhere really.once again i am saying if i offended you with anything in this comment,it is my opinion,grow up,cause really,i could’ve said A LOT worse and been racist.i also could’ve actually written out the swear words and used a lot more.really long comment,but i would go crazy if i didn’t say it somewhere they don’t know me.