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Comic-Con ’11: ‘Underworld: Awakening’ Interviews w/ Kate Beckinsale, Len Wiseman, New Directors Mans Marlind and Bjorn Stein

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Cast and crew of the latest installment in the Underworld series, subtitled Awakening, were on-hand at Comic-Con this weekend to discuss the new 3D sequel, which is set for release on January 20th next year. The film sees the return of original star Kate Beckinsale – who wasn’t in the last movie for obvious reasons – as the sexy, leather-clad vampire assassin Selene.

The drop-dead gorgeous star, wearing a short black dress that showed off her shapely, impressively toned legs, came by to chat with us briefly to discuss coming back to the franchise sans her Underworld 1 and 2 director (and now husband) Len Wiseman.

Underworld Awakening

Don’t forget, I’ve done two with Len and I did marry him and everything, so I quite liked him,” joked the actress. “So contemplating doing it without Len…that felt kind of funny.

“Awakening”, which takes place an undetermined amount of time after the second movie ended, has Selene waking (hence the title, I’m assuming) from a coma to discover a changed world.

I think the first part of the movie is…you’re sort of catching up, as she is, with everything that’s changed around her,” said Beckinsale. “The Underworld is no longer really under. [But] it’s boring to call a movie ‘World’, isn’t it? [Laughs] So it’s really a question of her waking up and going, ‘Where the hell am I, and what’s happening?’ And kind trying to figure…out who various significant people are.

She also admitted she’d never planned on coming back for a fourth film, but that the concept for the sequel was unique enough that she decided to hop on board.

Initially it was conceived as a trilogy, and the third one was always going to be a prequel,” she said. “And I think like everybody, I had, and Len had, and I think most people who are sensible have a slight allergy to a number ‘4’ coming after a movie title, cause it usually means it’s shit…So I think for us it was really a question of, you know, if you’re gonna take these characters…in order to make it sort of justifiable to make a movie, we really had to do something different and take it somewhere else, and not just continue exactly where we left off in the second one. So that’s really what I think clinched it for us, was that it was so different, there was so much new stuff going on.

Swedish directors Mans Marlind and Bjorn Stein, handpicked by Wiseman based on the strength of their 2005 dark fantasy film “Storm” to take the helm this time around, talked about the fresh perspective they tried to bring to the now-eight-year-old franchise, which was actually shot in 3D as opposed to post-converted.

This one is in 3D, so that presents some changes,” said Stein. “So we said let’s try to use some of the building blocks we have from the other ones, with the bluish kind of look, keep that, but this brings something else to it. So it had to be lit different and work different. And also the world we’re presenting…in this one, man has found out about [the underworld]…so we had to come up with a concept of how does this world look that doesn’t just feel like Pittsburgh, or New York, or whatever, but at the same time feels [like] a relative to the world [where] we’ve been. So that was the challenge, to kind of create that. New, but not too new.

When asked how much influence series creator Wiseman exerted over the shoot, Marlind told us that unlike on some projects – where a director-turned-producer micro-manages the production every step of the way – there was never a major butting of heads over the film’s creative direction.

Len’s a really, really, really nice guy, he’s not an asshole. So it’s never been a problem, and same goes [for] Kate,” he said, while adding: “But…yeah, we are the new kids in this family. Everybody’s [done all] three films. All the producers and so on. So when we want…to change something, we have to really, really sell it…so we had to gain a lot of respect.

There’s a different approach to how they would do a film versus even an American director that I was interested in,” said Wiseman. “There was a sensibility, too, there that they do all of their storyboards themselves…[that] just kind of connected with me [since] that’s what I did for the first film. And so the language of how they talked about how they would do the film, it was just something that was very familiar to me.

As for the 3D aspect, Wiseman admitted he was initially wary of it.

I’ll be completely honest that I was very skeptical of 3D,” he said. “At the time ‘Underworld’ was not greenlit as a 3D film…3D came into it months later after we were going through, and it took a lot of testing. Cause at the time there were not a lot of live-action 3D movies that were out to see. A lot of them were being made, everybody was talking about them, but nothing had been seen yet…nobody had really seen full live-action [3D] stuff. So I was very nervous about what the technology’s gonna be, is it gonna hurt the action?…You know, all these things.

Well, obviously he came around on the idea, which I’m sure was a purely creative decision and not at all one one made for commercial reasons. But at the end of the day, it’s not high art, it’s freaking “Underworld”. These are movies made to rake in the dough, not win awards or critical acclaim. And besides, Kate Beckinsale in leather AND 3D? I’m sure the fanboys will be just fine with it.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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