Interviews
Reverend Bob Larson Has Performed Over 15,000 Exorcisms And Thinks You Should See ‘The Devil Inside’!
Paramount’s The Devil Inside is just about to hit theaters and while I haven’t seen it yet – I’ve talked to a very experienced person who has.
Reverend Bob Larson has been pretty busy the past 30 years. He claims to have performed over 15,000 exorcisms during that time. More than one a day on average. I had the chance to speak with him earlier this week about his “real-life” experiences and how the movies stack up against them. Particularly The Devil Inside.
While I’m not entirely sure I believe in demonic possession myself, Larson certainly claims to and was willing to speak at length about it.
“In 1989, emergency responders received a 9-1-1 call from Maria Rossi (Suzan Crowley) confessing that she had brutally killed three people. 20 years later, her daughter Isabella (Fernanda Andrade) seeks to understand the truth about what happened that night. She travels to the Centrino Hospital for the Criminally Insane in Italy where her mother has been locked away to determine if her mother is mentally ill or demonically possessed. When she recruits two young exorcists (Simon Quarterman and Evan Helmuth) to cure her mom using unconventional methods combining both science and religion, they come face-to-face with pure evil in the form of four powerful demons possessing Maria. Many have been possessed by one; only one has been possessed by many.”
The Devil Inside hits theaters on January 6th, 2012. Hit the jump to check out the interview and a video of Larson performing an “exorcism”! What are some of the differences between the exorcisms we’ve seen on film and the real thing? “Watching the cinematic portrayal through the years has been interesting. The original Blatty movie (‘The Exorcist’) didn’t get much right. ‘The Exorcism Of Emily Rose’ got a little closer, ‘The Rite’ got a little closer. At least the first half of ‘The Devil Inside’ probably is the closest to an actual portrayal of what goes on during the investigative process and psychological considerations of what demons actually do. This is probably the closest anyone has been to it. I like the fact that in this movie you’ve got a coupe of very serious priests who are into seriously documenting what they do. They take a very scientific approach to it, even calculating the dialation of the pupils which is one of the way we detect possession. So whoever was writing the script (Brent Bell, Matthew Peterman) got that right!”
What are some of the physical and psychological symptoms of someone who has been possessed? “We get quite specific in studying body language. To watch the face, to watch the eyes. To watch for initial indicators that an evil spirit is being aroused as you begin the exorcism process. It’s the job of a demon at that point to hide. Because when a confrontation is taking place they don’t want to be expelled, so they’re going to try and find a way to circumvent that. As the process continues we can use holy objects like holy oil, holy water, crosses or a bible to antagonize the demon. You watch to see a response. What you’re after is a manifestation, to get the demon out in the open so you can communicate.”
Are some people more at risk for possession than others? Certain personality types? “It’s primarily a factor of ones past. One of the unanswered questions of this movie is “why this woman?” We don’t really know that. Obviously the possession was very very real and what we discovered was that highly traumatized people, people who have often been victims of violence or sexual and physical abuse tend to be a lot more susceptible to demons. They’re just a lot more emotionally fragile.”
And how many exorcisms have you performed? “I’ve done a documented 15,000 plus.”
Wow. “That’s a lot but you gotta remember that’s spread out over 30+ years. I do this virtually seven days a week and many many times in most cases”
What are some of the most memorable or intense ones? “That’s a challenge because there are so many hundreds of them. The more violent ones stand out. The most serious physical damage I’ve had is having my ribs broken. That happened to me one time in South Africa. But a lot of it is psychological warfare. In this movie for instance, the moment you see in the trailer with the dislocation of the limbs and that sort of thing.”
Have you seen something like that happen before? “I have. It’s not a common thing, but I’ve seen bodies twisted in ways that are incomprehensible. Of course I’ve seen levitations in the middle of exorcisms, not quite what you see in ‘The Exorcist’ though. One of the things I like about ‘The Devil Inside’ is that the arousing of the demons is very very authentic to the experiences I’ve seen.”
If you had to clear up one misconception about exorcism, what would that be? “I would say that the biggest misconception is that it’s terrifying to the person who performs the exorcism. If it’s terrifying, you better not do it. It’s trouble. You’ll be in over your head. In ‘The Exorcist’ the priests go after the thing and they’re scared to death to do it.”
And it doesn’t end too well for them. “It does not end well for them at all. I understand why, from a cinematic standpoint, that makes the move interesting. But it’s not at all fearful. In fact I’ve trained my 17 year old daughter and four of her friends to do it“.
Where do the demons come from? Is it an extension of the person’s internal struggle? “No. Exorcism is the belief that Satan has his representatives, disembodied invisible actual spirit beings, who are looking to take residence in a human body. They are looking for people who are vulnerable that they can use. It’s clear to me that much of the crime and violence that we see today are demon possessed but not diagnosed. Of course mental illness enters into it as well. But a lot of people are abused, and the hate builds up in them and gives the demon what we call “the legal right” to enter them.”
Have you encountered the same demon more than once? “Many times. Though, you have to understand, demons have rankings. If you encounter a demon of murder, it’s not necessarily the same demon, just a demon who was assigned the task of murder. However I have had demons who have looked at me and said, “we know each other.” And they have actually named times and places that the person I’m working with possibly couldn’t know. Other exorcisms I’d conducted in other people years ago.”
Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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