Interviews
[Interview] Kathryn Leigh Scott, “Dark Shadows: Return to Collinwood”
With mixed reactions of the recent big budget remake still rolling in, original Dark Shadows fans can take solace in the fact that Kathryn Leigh Scott has published a new book, co-written with Jim Pierson. Dark Shadows: Return to Collinwood is an amazing in-depth look at five decades of the classic Gothic horror soap opera that made sympathetic vampire Barnabas Collins a pop culture phenomenon.
With a foreword by the late Jonathan Frid, the book is an enticing look back on making the original series and the new film. Full of amazing stories and photos, it is a must have for fans of the original series.
I had the pleasure of speaking with Ms. Scott again recently about her experiences with the new film and her favorite moment with Jonathan Frid.
BD: Since Dark Shadows, we’ve had numerous hits in the vampire genre. Do you feel that perhaps Dark Shadows has fueled vampire love stories – and they all somehow reflects the love story of Barnabas and Josette?
Kathryn Leigh Scott: It’s so tempting to give you a one-word answer: YES! Barnabas Collins’ curse is his unrequited love for Josette, a mortal, who could only be his bride by sharing his curse. The “reluctant” vampire was originated by Jonathan Frid, who portrayed Barnabas with vulnerability and human passions.
BD: Prior to the remake – did the cast keep in touch?
KLS: We are family! And stay in touch by attending the Dark Shadows Festivals and working together on the Big Finish audio dramas. We get together privately to socialize whenever we can.
BD: Are there any special reunions planned now with the remake?
KLS: We are having a gala event July 28 at the famous Tarrytown estate of Jay Gould, “Lyndhurst” where House of Dark Shadows and Night of Dark Shadows were filmed. We will miss Jonathan Frid, who was to be our guest of honor, but the event will be a tribute to him. Please check the Dark Shadows Festival website for more information.
BD: In the book, you mention the short-lived incarnations of the show since the original – Which were you involved in? Did you ever think any of them would have the clout of the original?
KLS: I camera-tested for the role of Elizabeth Collins-Stoddard in the WB pilot, a production that was so misguided (in my opinion) that it didn’t stand a chance of appealing to Dark Shadows fans. Everything about it was wrong. I published a book by Jim Pierson about the 1991 NBC series that Dan Curtis produced and directed with Ben Cross as Barnabas Collins. It was really quite good.
BD: What did you think about the new Dark Shadows from reading the script?
KLS: I thought the early version of the script I read was very interesting and I loved the Rip Van Winkle twist to the plot.
BD: After being on set, how did you feel?
KLS: I felt privileged and quite thrilled that I could be part of the new incarnation after 46 years! The sets were amazing, and Collinsport truly came alive for me when I saw the harbor, cannery and street scenes on the Pinewood back lot. I felt a bit of nostalgia, but also very much in the moment because I was with Jonathan, Lara and David.
BD: Jonathan Frid passed away recently – what can you share about your time together working on the original Dark Shadows? A favorite memory perhaps?
KLS: Really, Johnny Depp, who barely knew Jonathan, said it best: he was elegant and magical. My favorite scene of all the 700 + episodes I did was my first encounter with Barnabas Collins in the Collinsport diner. I think Dan Curtis saw our chemistry together and was inspired to create the Barnabas/Josette love match.
Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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