Interviews
[San Diego Comic-Con ’12 Interview] ‘Crave’ Director Charles de Lauzirika & Star Josh Lawson
One of three films previewed during the “Virtual Drive-In” panel in Hall H tonight at the San Diego Comic-Con is Charles de Lauzirika’s Crave. Before the panel, Bloody’s Evan Dickson caught up with de Lauzirika and star Josh Lawson to talk about the thriller. Crave also stars Ron Perlman, Emma Lung, and Edward Furlong.
“Aiden (Josh Lawson) fantasizes about a better life away from his gruesome job as a crime scene photographer working alongside his detective friend Pete (Ron Perlman)–a heroic life where he falls in love with the perfect woman and dispenses justice on the hard streets of Detroit. When he meets the alluring young Virginia (Emma Lung) and steals a gun from a crime scene, the line between his darkest fantasies and reality begins to blur, with deadly consequences. This visually arresting psychological noir begins its festival run with its world premiere at the Fantasia Film Festival and continues on to other festivals around the world.“
First of all. That scene in the trailer where Josh puts the shrimp in his mouth then puts it back on the buffet is crazy.
Charlie: That was entirely Josh. It wasn’t in the script and he did it on the day. But it’s such a great snapshot of the mind of the character.
This movie seems like it has a bit of Dirty Harry and Death Wish in its heart, but against the entire world. What inspired it?
Charlie: I wanted to do something lean, mean quick and dirty. And my neighbor at the time, Rob Lawton, had something that he pitched to me as Travis Bickle meets Walter Mitty. A cracked, disturbing character that gets lost in his own world, these flights of fancy. All of these dark sexual and violent fantasies are in his head. And that was the original thrust of the vigilante stuff of the film. But the romantic relationship in the film adds some extra flavor to that.
Josh, what was your approach to such a sick character?
Josh: It was really unusual and unique. Detroit is such an overwhelming presence, particularly at that time of the year. And that really helped. Charlie had a very specific idea of what the film was going to look like and who the character was. It was a hard character to shake at the end of the day. You’d go back to your hotel and you’d feel really heavy. It was a really dirty film to swim through. But every time it felt like that it felt like we were onto something dark. In a good way. Aidan’s mind is so murky and so dangerous it’s a weird place to stay.
The film looks pretty intense. What was your approach to the tone and violence?
Charlie: It’s interesting because people would ask me about the tone and I’d say, “well what tone is Fight Club?” Because that film has drama, action, horror, sex and comedy. All of those things. And Crave is kind of like that too. Not in its worldview, but in terms of its playful nature in hopping genres. It’s all through the cracked prism of Aiden’s mind.
Detroit looks pretty creepy in the film as well.
Charlie: Detroit is so economically depressed. There’s all these ruins that are completely post apocalyptic.
Josh: It literally looks like a zombie apocalypse.
Charlie: But there’s a beauty there too. You can set scenes in so many unexpected locations.
Given the extreme nature of the film, was there ever a point where you felt where you were going too far? Did you ever have the urge to pull back?
Charlie: What’s the line?
Yeah. And did you cross it?
Charlie: I’m not sure if I did. I tried to stay to the script and embrace the happy accidents. You can make the scariest stuff not scary [if you’re not paying attention]. But you can also make the simplest stuff scary too.
What was it like having Ron Perlman onset?
Charlie: He shows up and the character is there. It’s amazing.
Josh: He came to set and he wanted to work. He cares about the product.
Charlie: There’s a great diner scene with them. It’s the one of the only moments in the film where we just let the camera sit there and just be there with the performances for however many minutes that scene is.
Josh: He’s a powerhouse. Such a brave actor.
Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.


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