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Dear New Line, Now is the Time to Make Freddy Krueger Great Again

As Pennywise scares up record numbers, we pine for the return of another icon.

In the wake of Wes Craven’s A Nightmare on Elm Street coming along and changing the face of horror, New Line Cinema was appropriately dubbed “The House That Freddy Built”; after all, the ensuing franchise’s 10-year box office dominance turned the fledgling independent company into a major Hollywood player.

All these years later, New Line is once again on top of the horror world thanks to the continuing success of The Conjuring Universe and, of course, this past weekend’s IT. The final domestic numbers reveal that Andy Muschietti’s new adaptation of Stephen King’s novel pulled in $123 million over the weekend, making it the most successful opening weekend for a horror movie in the history of cinema. Furthermore, it’s already one of the most dominant rated-R movies of all time.

Horror, it seems, has never been more ALIVE.

What lessons should Hollywood be learning from IT‘s record-shattering performance? Well, for starters, it should now be crystal clear that horror films, like superhero films, can be big-budget tentpoles for studios. Furthermore, Muschietti and the gang have sent the message that audiences are hungry for the kind of truly terrifying, go-for-broke horror that made the genre so dominant in, well, the decade that Freddy Krueger reigned supreme.

Hey, that gives me an idea…

A NIghtmare On Elm Street

It’s no secret that the box office success (or failure) of one big horror movie starts to give studios ideas about other big horror movies they may be considering; Scream, for example, ushered in a whole new wave of teen slashers, while the recent under-performance of Rings effectively killed the in-the-works reboot of the Friday the 13th franchise. As fans, we may not measure the success of any given film by the money it has made, but the reality is that the studio heads in charge of the genre most definitely do.

With IT making such a killing in just three days, you can bet that every major studio is right about now holding boardroom meetings in an effort to capitalize on the fact that horror is the hottest thing in Hollywood at the moment. The landscape of horror is very likely going to be changing in the coming years… and the future is looking bright.

So then, what’s next? Well, if the Elm Street-esque IT made you hungry for the return of Freddy, you certainly weren’t alone this weekend. It’s impossible to look at IT‘s box office numbers and not think that New Line is sitting on a similar goldmine with the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise; a goldmine that has remained untapped for nearly ten years now.

Back in 2010, New Line and Platinum Dunes reached the #1 spot on the box office charts with Samuel Bayer’s A Nightmare on Elm Street, a remake that managed to turn a profit while also disappointing most fans of the franchise; a lifeless, uninspired reboot, Elm Street ’10 essentially killed the franchise that it was supposed to re-animate.

Seven years later, we haven’t heard a peep from Freddy Krueger. It was reported back in 2015 that New Line had hired David Leslie Johnson (The Conjuring 2) to write the script for another Elm Street reboot, but it seems the focus was soon shifted to the two-part IT and the aforementioned Conjuring Universe.

What’s the latest on all that, you ask?

We reached out to several sources who all tell us that, as of this past weekend, there is absolutely zero internal talk at New Line about the return of Freddy.

Of course, this could soon change. No matter what we’ve been told, I can’t imagine there’s a single person over at New Line who didn’t have an imaginary light bulb go off over their head at some point this past weekend. It would seem to be a no-brainer that a well-done reboot of A Nightmare on Elm Street could potentially kick as much box office ass as Pennywise and the Losers’ Club are right about now, as well as further solidify New Line’s status as The House Where Horror Icons Flourish.

And New Line sure could take a few notes from their own IT, if they choose to put the same amount of effort into making Freddy Krueger a dominant force of terror once more. Maybe the most impressive thing IT accomplished is creating a new Pennywise who has already become an icon in a completely new, standalone way. Muschietti’s IT has proven that you indeed can reinvent an iconic movie monster for a whole new generation without simply recreating the past, which would be a smart way to approach Freddy’s inevitable revival.

As for how exactly a new Elm Street movie could be executed, well, that ball is entirely in New Line’s court. But if they’re as unafraid to spend money and as committed to making a truly scary film as they were with IT, then I don’t see why New Line couldn’t enjoy the same level of success with a new take on Wes Craven’s dream demon.

Now is the time, New Line. And we’re hungrier than ever.

Wes Craven



  • Adam Matthews

    I second this! #bringfreddyback

  • Necro

    Well said John I agree 1000%! Strike while the irons hot! New Line has to know ‘Chapter 2’ of ‘IT’ will be huge as well. A new ‘Freddy’ would be nice to see. Speaking of ‘Freddy’, I seen on YouTube a little short movie/video called ‘The Confession of Fred Krueger’ and this guy named Kevin Roach played the titular character in pre-burnt form. I don’t know how old this is, but that guy was actually pretty good. Yeah he’s no Robert Englund but if we really want to see another ‘Nightmare’ film, we gotta let Robert go cuz lets face it he’s not coming back to play the role anymore.

    • 8-bit Jason

      Have you seen this other Elm Street fan film?

      That actor does a really good Freddy too.

      • Necro

        I’ve seen it on YouTube but never watched it.

      • DukeDeMondo

        Fittingly enough that film has ripped off IT before it’s ever hit the three minute mark. “I’m not a stranger now, am I?” &c. &c.

  • Francesco Falciani

    so no talks yet…that sucks 🙁

  • Briand

    That can be the campaign slogan,
    “Make Freddy great again”.
    Where can I buy a hat?

  • Rafael Fernandez

    I had considered on launching on a tirade about ‘Olds’ like myself forcing youngsters to like the Horror I like, when they should – and are – liking the Horror they themselves choose to. But Freddy may be like Dracula, Frankenstein’s Monster, Batman, or Spiderman: a character not belonging to any generation.

  • Simon Allen

    Honestly i’d rather Jason came back ….
    But whoever gets the job of bringing back Freddie had their work cut out for them because he’s embedded so far into the mainstream that it’s going to be a near impossible task to make him scary again .

    • Michael Howell

      not necessarily

    • snow&peace

      The same was said after Freddy’s Dead & New Nightmare managed it just fine.

      • Simon Allen

        Did they ? Really ?
        Freddy’s Dead is widely regarded as the worst in the franchise and although it was clever, New Nightmare wasn’t really scary was it ?

        • snow&peace

          No we said the franchise could never be scary again after Dead because it was so campy (5 is a worse film tho) and New Nightmare is probably not scary (very few slashers are), it did make Freddy menacing again & non campy. The hospital wall crawling murder was just as horrifying as its counterpart in the original.

  • Creepshow

    A new Nightmare movie’s full run, wouldn’t make the money ‘IT’ did in 3 days. Freddy is dead, turn the page.

    • Kori Batchelor

      Agreed. But, I still kinda want a new Freddy flick. Find some creators who actually give a fuck about the character, give them a decent budget, and see what happens. If it’s shit, then, yeah, Freddy’s officially dead and that’s a little depressing. But if it’s good, then we will rejoice…until the third and fourth sequel are trash and yet they make three more just to make sure they’ve beaten that horse for all it’s worth. Ahh, Hollywood.

    • Simon Allen

      Holler !!!!

  • dukeblues

    I am more looking forward to the new Halloween, Leatherface and maybe someday a new F13. ANOES is my least favorite. Never found it scary. Silly yes, but scary, nope.

  • Nicolás Saiz

    Isn’t better to ask for new horror icons?

    • Vincent Kane


    • Chip

      The current attempted crop have kinda been failures so far. Unless Annabel and Valehead somehow do it for you?

    • Steven

      The hardcore fanbase wants their icons back… besides, that’s what they are trying to do anyway. Valek, Annabelle maybe they’ll live up to the hype, but we need Freddy back!

    • MODOK

      I don’t think there will be new icons like Freddy, Jason or Michael because it’s a dated conceit. Those characters peaked in the ’80s, and once they became pop-culture sensations bigger than the movies themselves, it hurt the ability to re-visit that subgenre without being viewed as derivative.

      Just think of all the failed attempts over the years to launch horror franchises featuring gimmicky killers with catchy names. Those movies are almost always met with a collective eye-roll. (“I guess they’re trying to make a new Jason. Good luck with that.”)

      Plus, there’s just not a whole lot you can do with the slasher subgenre, which is formulaic by nature. While it was enough for audiences 25 or 30 years ago to see Jason or Freddy knock off a bunch of teens, audiences these days are more savvy. They’re not going to turn out for more of the same. For example, the F13 remake made good nostalgia money in its first week, but then plummeted because there was nothing new about it.

      That’s why in the last 10-15 years, horror has abandoned the single, unstoppable killer in favor of unknowable forces–demons, possessions, anonymous home invaders, etc. Maybe enough time will pass for slashers to trend again, but I kind of doubt it.

  • pablitonizer

    Still don’t know why Freddy didn’t make a cameo on IT. They showed the posters of ANOEM 5 at the movie theatre and yet Freddy could have been Stanley’s terror instead of the woman in the painting. That would gave been an effin breathtaking surprise, and at the same time test audience reaction for a possible interest in a Freddy’s return or not

    • Creepshow

      I saw a cameo from him in the trailer for ‘Ready Player One’ before IT started. lol

    • They probably don’t want to establish a cinematic universe with a Stephen King character, especially when (in the novels) his characters inhabit a shared universe of their own. I’m hoping that New Line does a slasher cinematic universe when they get Jason in 2018.

    • C-3PO’s

      Maybe for the same reason Jack Nicholson’s Joker didn’t show up. Shit, I don’t know.

    • ItalianBadAss37

      Thank god I wasn’t the only one who thought of that. I agree, that would’ve been EPIC!

    • Chip

      Within movie logic nobody was afraid of Freddy in 1988. Dream Child was a big disappointment.

      But mostly it would have just been a tonal WTF. I much prefered Painting Woman, since it’s a personalized fear based on Stans OCD. Where as Freddy is kinda just…a pop figure icon at that point?

    • Justin Anthony

      I wanted to see Beetlejuice in the movie after the poster on the bedroom wall

  • WondrousPoop

    IT budget = $35 million
    ANOES remake budget = $35 million

    The amount of money spent on the remake was not the problem.

    Also, ANOES would be lucky to make in its entire run what IT made in one day. Time to move on from Freddy.

  • I hope that New Line Cinema does a slasher cinematic universe. They get Jason Voorhees back in 2018, they have Freddy Krueger, Ash probably wouldn’t be too difficult to obtain or liscense. Hopefully, they can get Leatherface back now that Lionsgate pushed the series to V.O.D. as Saw is returning.

    Things are looking great for the genre right now. IT is a smash hit, John Carpenter has stated that his intention is to have Blumhouse’s Halloween be the scariest sequel of the series, Hellraiser: Judgment looks to be the best Hellraiser in quite a while (with whispers of a potential theatrical release), ETC. Just imagine if Jigsaw and Leatherface (2017) knock it out of the park. Maybe Universal will change its tune regarding its dumb “action hero” monsters universe.

    • WondrousPoop


    • Munchie

      Can I have some of whatever has gotten you really really high?

      • Mind explaining the problem?

        • Munchie

          Where do I begin?

          1) “Hellraiser: Judgment looks to be the best Hellraiser in quite a while.” If by that you mean since 1988’s sequel, then yes, it does, and if you can guess what the newest one looks like by the godawful college-level Photoshop pics we’ve gotten over and over so far, then good on you, I suppose.

          2) I think it’s been pretty well documented that the Ash licensing would NEVER happen even if Bruce Campbell wants to play him again in a movie like this. And why would anybody be interested in anybody but The Chin playing him?

          3) John Carpenter, legend that he is, hasn’t made a good movie in over 20 years, and he seems most interested in cashing royalty checks these days. Just because he says he wants a new Halloween to be scary doesn’t mean shit.

          I will give you that U’s Horror Universe is a misguided joke, but other than that, those are my problems. Neat, huh?

          • 1) In case you haven’t been paying attention, we’ve gotten way more than some “photoshopped college level pics” – including in depth interviews, plenty of plot and character details, set photos and promotional photos (some of which actually look pretty good – ).

            As we have learned, Judgment will take the franchise back to the concept of the original two films while also expanding the universe, showing some of the other orders and factions in Hell. Director Gary Tunnicliffe also seems to understand, unlike most of the awful sequels that we’ve been getting, that the Cenobites are not demonic anti-heroes that judge people for their sins but are actually supposed to be beings that offer a sensual experience to those who solve the box.

            This is the first time in a long time that the filmmakers of a Hellraiser movie have actually seemed to give a sh*t about the film. Tunnicliffe seems generally enthusiastic about his vision for Judgment, and when was the last time any director even had a vision while working on a Hellraiser film? All of the other sequels were just random scripts that they shoved “Hellraiser” elements into in order to keep the rights. And while it’s unfortunate that Doug Bradley wouldn’t return after not being able to read the script, Paul T. Taylor is at least approaching the role correctly. From the several interviews he has given, he is clearly a big fan of the franchise and he understands what Pinhead is supposed to be. But, at the same time, he says he is giving his own performance instead of trying to outright imitate Doug Bradley (which would be a fool’s errand, as their is only one Doug Bradley).

            And lastly, Gary Tunnicliffe mentioned that he talked to the studio (the film is currently completed), and they were apparently shocked that it was good – After the last several sequels, why wouldn’t they be? I’m also hearing talks of a potential theatrical release of some sort. Since you clearly know nothing about the film, a lot of the interviews and such are linked on the Wikipedia page, though Wikipedia isn’t reliable on its own –

            2) No, the only thing that has been “well documented” is that the sequel to Freddy vs. Jason (2003) isn’t happening and that Bruce Campbell really, really doesn’t want it to happen… Probably because he doesn’t want to share the spotlight with other icons. If New Line Cinema wants to do a cinematic universe, there is nothing Campbell can do to stop them. Even if he threatens to not return, that would probably be alleviated by a big enough pay-check. They can still do a universe without Ash if they absolutely have to. Given that New Line made the original Evil Dead and that Evil Dead connections have already appeared in Friday the 13th (such as the Necronomicon), them obtaining a license isn’t as far from a possibility as you seem to think.

            3) Is that why John Carpenter scooped up the rights immediately after Dimension Films lost them? And is that why Carpenter has repeatedly spoken out about how Michael Myers was treated in the most recent films? Carpenter, who is overseeing the new Halloween film, actively sought out Blumhouse Productions and a pitch from filmmakers who knew their sh*t (and if anyone understands the original Halloween, it’s John Carpenter). Carpenter stated that his intention is to make the latest film the scariest of the bunch, which won’t be too difficult considering most of the sequels aren’t good. Much like Tunnicliffe with Judgment, the filmmakers have stated their intention to take the franchise back to its roots and Carpenter might even return to do the musical score, as he has stated. Frankly, there isn’t much reason not to be excited about the new Halloween.

            Neat, huh?

          • Damn, that was a lot to explain.

          • Munchie

            well, you put a lot more effort into this than i did. 🙂

          • Yeah, I was just trying to explain everything. Didn’t realise it would equate to six paragraphs :/

          • bd2999

            I would quibble with the Ash vs Freddy vs Jason one.

            Raimi and Campbell were interested in the concept. Bruce has said as much at cons. The issue was they disagreed with New Line about the direction of the movie and only controlled one character.

            They thought Ash should win, but New Line apparently stopped talking to them after that. And they took their ball and went home after that.

            The comics make that a little confusing, as Ash does win there, but it seems from interviews I have seen that they were interested in it. Particularly given the success of FvJ at the box office. One can blame both sides for being stubborn I guess.

          • Campbell has been sh*tting all over the very idea of Freddy vs Jason vs Ash for the last few years now. Just look at his Twitter, or read his statements to the press. He also mentioned in the link below that he’s not a big fan of crossovers to begin with.


          • bd2999

            Which is inconsistent with things he has said in other interviews too. Not being a fan of crossovers is a legit reason enough. I am just saying that things do not seem all that clear.

            Campbell is a snarky guy and maybe he is the reason, but I am saying that he has said that it was on New Line at times too.

            Englund agreed with some of Campbell’s interviews saying

            “Sam Raimi wanted Ash to win. He wanted him to win the match. Which I thought was a great idea,” actor Robert Englund said at Emerald City
            Comicon earlier this month. “New Line Cinema was against it because I
            had just had my ass kicked by Jason; they were afraid, ’cause I was the
            most successful of the three franchises, they were afraid. ‘We can’t
            have Freddy killed twice in a row.’”

            So, Bruce is not off his rocker too much here. Maybe he does hate cross-overs. Which is fair, they are just cash ins, but from what I have read he and Rami seemed interested.

            Also, the link you refer to more or less agrees with some of the articles I have read. It had more to do with creative control than it did anything else. Not sure I would put that all at his feet.

    • Necro

      Your comment is great! All the things you mention are entirely possible, also I personally would like to see it happen.

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  • Darkness69

    I’m all up for this, but the biggest issue with ANOES remake was that nobody respected the franchise and Freddy to really pay an homage to him and at the same time usher a new age of nightmares on screen. It would be a perfect time now to introduce a new cast of likeable teenagers, but we need enough time with them, and, most of all, a helluva good script to actually care for them when the slasher times begin. The remake was an abomination.

    • bd2999

      Really, it should be pretty easy to do a sequel/reboot situations. Given Freddy is a shape shifter by nature him changing a bit would be fitting and in the same spirit.

      Some would not be happy but that part could work. What is needed is a plot and actors that looked like they cared at least a little.

  • Freddy Krueger is my favorite horror villain! He deserves an awesome movie.

  • Patrick

    Robert Englund is Freddy. If Robert doesn’t want to bring him back, Freddy should stay dead.

    • Ivan Camacho

      same thing people said about tim curry’s pennywise and jack nicholson’s joker..

      • Flu-Like Symptoms

        Neither played their respective characters eight times.

        • Patrick

          Exactly. And when they tried to replace Englund, the result was mediocre at best.

          • bd2999

            Not sure that was the fellow who was Freddy’s fault. The script fell flat after a bit and the movie as a whole was sort of a mess. Englund is Freddy but at the same time I thought the other guy was passable.

            Nobody else was and the plot was bad. It very much was a paint by the numbers name exploitation. It had no soul and no point.

  • Khy

    Halloween I really think has seen its last days. Friday The 13th I believe have seen its last days.
    But I believe A Nightmare On Elm Street still has another roll of the dice. Especially considering what a fumble the 2010 reboot was. Now with WB making horror into grand “event” films I’d love to see them take Freddy to the same level. We all know they can. Its just a matter of will they.

    Either way, I’m less worried about who will play Freddy and more about what director and team they’ll get behind the movie. I love a good teen slasher, but I’m not really looking for dudes like Todd Farmer, Shannon and Swift, or other run of the mill “easy to get” horror dudes who just love “boobs and blood” nor do I want anyone insanely pretentious with a “TOO out there” concept for the series.

    A Nightmare On Elm Street that delivers the goods we come to expect(Amazing dream sequences, unique kills, great atmosphere) while also elevating it with character and heart. The 2010 version was the complete opposite of this.

    They can learn a lot from IT. Make it an “event” film. Not just another Freddy movie. Think Dream Warriors Meets IT- that could be fun.

    • Flu-Like Symptoms

      “Halloween I really think has seen its last days.”

      Bizarre statement to make with John Carpenter back in the mix. And Friday is only as dead as it’s copyright holders desire to make more films. Fans of both franchises are there and ready for more.

  • Cali-Chainsaw

    I hope they do a shared slasher universe but, don’t rush it and give each movie a lot of effort. I could see it happen! Now let’s hope more slasher movies get theatrical realesed!!

  • SonnyFern

    Eh, this one already made Freddy great again :- )

  • Ocelot006 .

    I wouldn’t exactly call IT a big budget tent pole. $35 million budget is still bigger than most horror films but big budget event tent pole horror sounds more like World War Z.

    Obviously IT is gonna already be bigger than the Conjuring but that already proved you could have a horror film make it as a summer movie and still not much has happened since then for summer horror except for well the Conjuring 2. Every horror film success is looked at as an analmoly and then the little boys scrap it all up with rip offs.

  • Unknown User

    Yes make it happen please. Also while you’re at it give us a good Friday the 13th and Hellraiser.
    I’m probably the only person on the planet who really liked Hellraiser 6 Hellseeker and wish they made another movie like that.

    • Justin Anthony

      I liked Hellraiser 5 Inferno better than Hellseeker, but 6 did have a good concept/storyline/Ashley Laurence and would be a good way to reboot that series.

    • MeeGhoulz

      You’re not alone! Hellseeker was alright, we need more Kirsty! I would love to see a Helleaiser series of her doing whatever it takes trying to bring her father out of Hell!

  • plutohiller

    First step is to get an amazing team together that truly loves the franchise. Second is either getting Englund to come back (lot’s of $) or somehow find an amazing replacement. Probably a new actor, but not too young. Based on the beginning of ‘IT’, I could see a new NOES being pretty dark and shocking if it focused on younger children. Maybe junior high? Watching a film with many scenes like the intro of ‘IT’ would be intense.

    • jsmoltz29

      Actually not a bad idea. Almost a Freddy meets the Stranger Things aged crowd. It works because this is the age kid that Freddy would have targeted anyway.

    • Khy

      Well said. However, how about we do high school but circa 9th/10th graders? You can still get some young looking actors that you will be horrified to see meet their grisly end but it won’t step too much on IT(or Stanger Things) toes.

      We want it to take inspiration from IT without being IT just with nightmares. I never
      realized just how damn similar Pennywise and Freddy are haha.

      • Chip

        The issue is always with parents, both a viewers and parents of actors. A big part of why Fukunaga departed was because the parents of potential actors just couldn’t agree to what they wanted to do. Freddy goes a bit beyond what IT does, at least on the screen. I’m kinda amazed they got away with killing off Georgie, but that was with a lot of camera tricks to soften it just enough.

        Having early teens vividly mutilated? That’s a bit of a hard sell.

        • Khy

          To be honest that’s why I honestly don’t mind adult actors playing teens as long as they actually LOOK the age. There’s one actress who plays a 15 year old on that show called Riverdale and I was stunned to know she was a 29 year old woman and was much older than her other cast mates. I just like characters that I can believe are teens, rather or not they are or aren’t in actuality.

          Though if they stick to high school senior aged characters or college aged- I wouldn’t care. Just give us a good story and actors regardless of the age groups.

    • Chip

      Sorry, but Englund’s barely holding it together these days. He’s been in and out of hospital a few times, and he seems in kinda bad shape the last few interviews I’ve seen him in. He’s over 70 now. The glove has gone up on the wall for him. The best I could see is if they did a Pass the Torch, and give a completely new Dream Stalker his powers within the continuity, maybe picking up after part III or IV.

      With that said, there’s been a lot of buzz for Kevin Bacon to take on the role. He’s not that much younger, but 59 is a lot hardier than 70 for a role like this. Ideally though, an Unknown is the best any way you slice it. Someone who is young, and is forced to bring their own take on it. Because we all know that Haley got the roll because of Watchmen, and there’s very little new to what he did in Elm Street 2010.

  • Trav

    First, you need people with passion for the franchise and Freddy Krueger character to be working on the new movie. The most frustrating thing about thing about the 2010 remake is that it just felt like such a huge cash-grab, and there wasn’t a lot of effort to try anything different or new, and instead they just made a poor version of the original. Samuel Bayer didn’t even want to direct the movie initially, and didn’t agree to it until Micheal Bay practically begged him to direct the movie. Bayer had no real passion for the franchise or character.

    That’s what made the IT re-adaption so good and successful. Andrew Muschietti and the people around him had real passion for the story they were representing, and put it into their project. Heck, bash Rob Zombie all you want, but I even think he had passion for his Halloween remake. He really thought it could be improved and expanded upon, and whether you liked it or not, you have to admit Zombie put in a real effort to make it good and add new things. I can’t say the same thing for the 2010 remake of Nightmare on Elm Street.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think we are getting a new NOES movie anytime soon. The franchise doesn’t feel like a priority anymore for New Line, as they have the Conjuring franchise and IT: Chapter Two to focus on right now. It’s sad, because it also means we probably aren’t getting a new Friday The 13th movie anytime soon either.

    • Khy

      Agreed 100%

    • Rocky Chodha

      Rob Zombie, lost me after the first 20 mins, of H2, he brought in and tried to give more time to his wife or take central . But, I for one, thought, Michael was a Beast, in his adaptions and he was very dark.

  • Ocelot006 .

    Just keep Platinum Dunes away and all should be well. ‘Oh we are so smart! You put a big franchise name on the movie and you get a great opening weekend!’ But what about after that when the movie sucks and stops making money?

    • Khy

      There was a time when I LOVED PD.
      Boy was that a long time ago.

  • Chip

    The biggest thing they can learn from it is that your leading cast makes all the difference. DO NOT GIVE US ANYMORE PRETTY CARD BOARD CUT OUTS! Either make them deliciously goofy, or give them some fighting spirit, but do SOMETHING to make these characters worth while. That was my biggest complaint about Elm Street 2010; The characters had no lives outide of dealing with Freddy. It felt like they had literally just popped into existence the moment that Freddie did, rather than having their normal lives interrupted by him.

    Pennywise is such an amazing figure because he works off of the kids, turning their fears against them. Freddy operates on the same level, and thus the film failed, since the fear was all reduced down to “I’m scared of a child molestor with knives on his fingers.” and just…no. Fuck no.

    Bring back the dreamscape that III and IV established. There was a lot of potential within the 2010 movie that got squandered just to push Freddy on the screen.

    • Khy

      “It felt like they had literally just popped into existence the moment that Freddie did, rather than having their normal lives interrupted by him.”
      EXACTLY! Having them start off immediately drained and rundown by Freddy in the first freaking scene was very off-putting and didn’t allow for much character development.

      They’re already at their wits end so what does it matter? Its better when they start off happy, content, lively, and then over the course of the film you tear them down.

    • Meisha’s Taint

      Last time around they had god awful actors. Maybe go the opposite route and bring in polished, well respected actors that we can like and want to live

  • snow&peace

    We need to get Cary Fukunaga (true detective s1) or Denis Villeneuve (arrival, sicario) for this & to make it scary again.

  • BreeBennett

    I think the difference is that Freddy is a well established horror icon and it’s harder for people to accept another actor playing him (look what happened with the remake). It’s been eight movies and many years in the public eyes and the franchise is already a classic that people don’t want it to be touched (again). It will be harder to make a movie that will please the fans. Also the franchise is worn out.

    Now, Pennywise didn’t have that much power to begin with, he was shown only once in a miniseries 27 years ago, so the idea feels fresh. The miniseries is not really a classic and not well praised. People didn’t care that much it was getting another adaptation, actually they were asking for one, because the miniseries didn’t age well. It’s easier to get people’s acceptance.

    • Saturn

      Gotta respectfully disagree with you about the mini-series.
      Although the 1990’s version of IT is a little dated, it still holds a special place in a lot of people hearts – some would even say that it IS a classic. Well, to me it is anyway.
      It’s definitely one of the better tv adaptations of King’s.
      I remember at the time of release it was highly praised – and I can almost certainly guarantee that a high proportion of the people who went to see the theatrical version were fans of the original adaptation – well it seemed like it at the showing I went to, as there were were a lot of older people.
      A lot of people I know remember IT as being one of the scariest things they ever saw on television – yes, things have changed a lot and special fx have come a long way, but the love many have of the original adaptation was because it was “of it’s time”. Some may have never seen it, and will watch it in this modern era, and may find it a little cheesy in places – but it’s like kids today who have grown up on dvd/blu/digital / mp3 players who won’t ever really know the love that those of us of a certain age have when it comes back to memories of renting VHS movies in the 1980’s/putting the needle down for the very first time on the latest Metallica album and examining the artwork.
      It’s what we had to work with – and at the time we LOVED it. Modern PCs and consoles blow away the likes of the old ZX Spectrums and Atari consoles, but I can 100% say that I had a lot more enjoyment of my Spectrum in the early 1980’s than I do with modern computing – the games were much more fun for me – by todays standards they look and sound terrible, and modern kids may laugh at them – but at the time, when that’s all we had? It couldn’t be bettered.

      I appreciate that now I can carry thousands of albums around with me on my Ipod Classic – but I often take more time deciding on what to listen to than actually listening to music – too much choice and the enjoyment doesn’t seem to be there any more.
      Movies are so much cheaper to buy now than they were in the 1980’s, and it’s so much easier to acquire those hidden gems by nefarious means – so now we often have thousands of movies to catch up on, which can seem a little daunting and can cause a degree of depression in some cases – too much choice.
      I kinda miss the days of the only movies you owned were probably recorded from the tv/used video store vhs and those you’d buy new on occasion – when a “massive” collection would be around 100 vhs tapes, with movies you’d re-watch over and over. When you’d hire stuff from the video store, and it would generally be at least a good movie as the price of releasing them on tape was pretty high, so there was more quality control.
      These days any old shite is released onto shiny disc so it can take watching 10 new zombie movies to find 1 half decent one.
      But I digress : the original IT adaptation is fantastic. Dated? Yes – but it still deserves to be remembered as a classic.

  • Jared Patrick

    There is a way to revive Freddy and I know how. For starters, look at the horror genre today and capitalize on the things that made them a success. Make it a truly terrifying film. Don’t humanize Freddy. The more we know, the less scary it is. Make him more of a frightening, supernatural being than a man. Sure, you can establish a brief backstory, but don’t focus on that throughout the entire movie. Really express the true “shit your pants” fear within the nightmare sequences(focus on the characters deepest darkest phobias/fear and turn it against them 10x worse). Give Freddy a twisted sense of humor that isn’t comically overdone. Make his very presence truly terrifying(sending a chill down your spine and making you cringe every time you hear his sinister voice). Raise the stakes, make the main cast much younger(12-15 years old. Children succumb to fear much easier and on a greater scale). Also, make them relatable/likable(most of IT’s success was b/c of the amazing characters and cast). Keep the story simple and fresh. Don’t retread old ground. Establish a completely new story with new characters. Here’s a idea for example: “A group of kids find themselves targets of a supernatural boogeyman that feeds off of their fear in order to kill them within their nightmares. They must ban together to find out what he is and how to kill him before they become victims of this ‘nightmare man’ and his razor sharp blades.” That’s just a little idea I conjured up in 2 minutes. The concept is simple, you have this supernatural force of nature that holds infinite power with endless possibilities in the nightmare realm…. So capitalize on that! Make Freddy scary again… Expand on his abilities to contort his body in unnatural ways, stretch his limbs to impossible lengths, and etc. I could go on forever with this, but I think I got the idea across. Hell, I would even write this script for New Line for real cheap. The idea’s there, now you just need to execute it. I also have ideas for F13 and Halloween as well. Although, it actually sounds like they’re going in the direction I had with Halloween, so that’s good… F13, on the other hand, they need help.

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    New Line should either use Peter Jackson’s script for Nightmare 6, or Wes Craven’s original draft for Dream Warriors

  • Fracassi

    I think one thing IT had going for it is that not a lot of people were calling foul as a reboot. IT was a fun TV miniseries, but mainly (the novel) stood the test of time based on people being introduced to King’s work anew over the years. I’m not downplaying Tim Curry’s performance. So, that being said, I think IT (2017) was a fresh film for a lot of people. The miniseries certainly didn’t fall into the cultural phenomenon that A Nightmare on Elm Street did in the 80s. That being said, I think a new Nightmare movie would seem more like an attempt to garner nostalgia. Whereas IT comes off as a fresh take on a classic novel.

    • Ima Hugger

      Very astute.

  • Steven

    A Nightmare On Elm Street hasn’t seen its last days that’s for sure. It’s a shame the studio seems to think so and does not care to reinterpret the movie appropriately. They need someone who’s really passionate about the Elm Street franchise, and a great actor to play Freddy. The way they interpret Freddy is going to be touchy too because you got a big chunk of the fanbase who wants him scary, and the other who wants him to be funny too. I just know there is still a lot to explore in the franchise. “Every town has an Elm Street.”

  • Scott Martin

    Since the Pennywise character was only done once in a TV miniseries a lot of people never saw, or maybe even heard of, it’s basically like a new horror icon. Freddy on the other hand is a very established icon.

  • Meisha’s Taint

    Just get Mickey Keating to do it for fuck’s sake. Lower budget, NO TEEN actors, let him do what ever he wants

    You are welcome

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    • art123guy

      x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    • Rocky Chodha

      umm, not to go off, you’re NO NO NO, why not stever carroll for Freddy, I think it can work.

  • Shane o mac

    Anything can be good if you don’t cheap out and put effort into it……..talking to you peeps doing the Halloween movie

  • Louis Tyson

    Kevin Bacon As Freddy?! Like If You Agree…

    • Mark

      Least they won’t need makeup lol just paint his craters and he’s done

  • DE@DFukk

    Evil Dead and Chucky have the best franchises because they have one gate keeper looking after them. Don Mancini and Sam Raimi made sure nothing unforgivable ever happened to their creations. Freddy, Jason, Michael, Leatherface, Pinhead and so on don’t have anyone looking after their best interests as characters.

    • DE@DFukk

      I mean, Michael has the Akkads, but they have let some shit fall through the cracks. The less control given to Sean Cunningham the better. Carpenter never seemed to care about Halloween. Wes Craven gave over control.

    • MeeGhoulz

      Even if I never liked Chucky you did sum it up perfectly.

    • Jay Brezzy

      While I agree with this….Let’s not forget about seed. Or should I say, let’s please forget about seed.

      • DE@DFukk

        Seed is my favorite 😀

        • Jay Brezzy


  • DrewHamster

    I think the main problem with this argument is that the reason It made so much money this past weekend wasn’t because it was a horror film that people were clamoring for, but rather it was released when the target audience’s nostalgia for the original was at its peak. All the people who remember being terrified of the original when they were kids flocked to see it. It also helps that it looked good and all the prerelease information on it was positive.

    • Mark

      Also helped by those idiots dressing as clowns and stanting in corners etc as silly as it sounds all that has helped to make people want to see this movie

  • marshally

    Yes, a new “Freddy” would be awesome only if you get rid of the comic relief. Just make it “balls to the wall” nightmarish and surreal

  • Bob Marshall

    It’s a no brainier for Warner Bros, IT had a Nightamre on Elm Street vibe and it’s clear to me that Muscheitti would deliver a solid Nightmare film. Do it, set it in the 80s, give Freddy a minor reinvention*, make him darker, less talkative and get inventive with the nightmares.

    *I would make Freddy look a little more like he did in New Nightmare, get someone with a tall lanky frame, have his long coat torn, burnt etc. Keep him mostly in the shadows until the finale.

  • Jared Patrick

    For some reason, my comment was removed b/c it was detected as spam… Wow.

    • Jay Brezzy


  • TheMostInterestingManintheMidw

    Aren’t the rights to Friday The 13th going back to New Line next year? Honestly, I feel like that would be easier to develop quickly and effectively. I know of the storied history of the latest film that was almost made. But anything could happen

  • UnsafeSafeSpace

    Not trying to be that guy, but just never found Freddy scary even as a little kid in the 80s.

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  • Mark

    No Robert no Freddy it’s as simple as that, you can not compare him to penny-wise as he was just in the 1 movie and it was never near as popular as a nightmare movie.

    And like someone else said I never found any nightmare movie scary just like the Friday and Halloween movies were not scary. Love them because nightmare was original and imaginative

  • jim

    new line being bought out ruined the nightmare on elm street blu ray box set the transfers of the films look like shit too much black crush etc. 🙁

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