Interviews
Michael Peña Talks ‘The Vatican Tapes’ and Wanting To Do More Horror!
Lionsgate Films’ The Vatican Tapes opened this weekend. We managed to snag an interview with actor Michael Peña, who plays Father Lozano in the film, right before he walked into a taping of The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.
The Vatican Tapes follows a priest (Peña) and two Vatican exorcists (Djimon Hounsou & Peter Andersson) who must do battle with an ancient satanic force to save the soul of a young woman (Olivia Taylor Dudley). Peña has been acting since 1994, but his most notable films include Crash, Million Dollar Baby, American Hustle, and most recently Marvel’s Ant-Man. Check out our interview with him below!
Q: What can you tell us about your character Father Lozano?
A: Well I grew up Catholic, so this kind of stuff scares the Hell out of me. I love horror movies, though. I love all the Saws and stuff like Paranormal Activity and all that. The Vatican Tapes is a little bit different. It’s a psychological film which I think is cool because if I watch too much of the gory stuff I get desensitized. In that aspect this film is nice. I’m portraying someone like people I knew in Chicago that were priests but they weren’t like everyday priests, you know? They didn’t act all holy and were just regular guys that just happened to be priests. And Lozano is like that. He gets involved in an exorcism. He didn’t look out for something like this, it just happened that way. So that’s my guy.
Q: Because of your beliefs, was there any hesitation to get involved with a film about demonic possession?
A: Yeah because my mom was really heavy into dark spirits and would grab a cold egg and rub it up and down our bodies to take out the evil spirits. Then she would put it in a cup of water and whisper “evil be gone” and I’m like “wow, really? An egg? An egg’s going to catch that?” But after a while, you’d pray that it worked! Ad it’s the kind of thing where we weren’t able to play the Ouija board. We were raised on that stuff, my brother and I, so I was definitely feeling superstitious when I signed on for the film.
Q: Did you do any on-site research for the role? Like visit exorcisms or anything like that?
A: No I didn’t, man. It would have ben cool but there’s not a whole lot of exorcisms on Craigslist, you know? I would have definitely gone. There were pictures of a few exorcisms online, but there’s really not much. I just had to use my imagination and work off the script.
Q: So this is your first horror movie. Could you tell us a little bit about your experiences working on a horror film.
A: I don’t think there’s anything different. You’re basically doing the same thing: reacting off of imaginary circumstances, you know? You want to be able to feel the part and with horror films you get weirded out because of the filming locations, which I think is key. You don’t feel really super comfortable shooting in a place that used to be a mental ward. Imagining the screams and the weird shit that went on is crazy. And you know horror movies do that. Especially with the props and all that. It informs your acting, but you want to put just as much energy in anything regardless of what it is, you know what I mean?
Q: Horror films tend to require a lot of grueling physical activity. Is there one particular stunt/set piece that you found to be the most difficult to shoot?
A: There was one where I’m supposed to jump out of a house. I didn’t find it difficult, I just thought it was cool. I love that kind of stuff. You know you get a little more able. Like for CHiPs I have to get in good shape. Not just to lose weight but to be able to do those functions. I love doing that because I grew up playing sports and I just really enjoy that physical part of it.
Q: There have been a massive influx of possession films to come out in the past few years. What do you think makes The Vatican Tapes stand out more than the others?
A: I don’t know. I don’t think it has to be dramatically different. The narrative and how they film it is different. There’s a little bit of a psychological thriller aspect to it which is really cool. But to me that question is like saying “there’s been a bunch of comedies out lately. What’s different about yours?” It’s just a different kind of possession movie. There’s always action movies, there’s always comedies and there’s always horror movies.
Q: Do you see yourself acting in any other horror films in your future?
A: Yeah you know what? This is a genre that I’m just now getting into and there’s always a lot to learn when you jump genres. I’ve learned a lot and I’ve had a really good time filming. I think I want to do an indie horror film that’s shot very realistically and much more dark than what you typically see, like the first Paranormal Activity. I also want to do a slasher movie with a villain like Freddy Krueger. Then I want to do another one that’s a little bit bigger like Rosemary’s Baby.
Q: So you want to cover the whole board then?
A: Yeah, like for example I just started in comedy. I’ve done my fourth one. I’ve done Ant-Man, which is a super hero thing. I did a smaller one, which is Observe and Report, and then I did Eastbound and Down which is a TV show. But to me they’re all so different. One’s a Marvel movie, one’s a plot-driven comedy, and the other is a single-camera TV show. Those are different sub-genres within the all-encompassing comedy genre and if you’re going to do one genre then you have to do all of its different sub-genres. It’s like golf: you don’t want to play just one hole. You want to play the entire golf course. I just want to stretch my acting muscles and have fun.
The Vatican Tapes opens nationwide on Friday July 24th.
Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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