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‘Tone-Deaf’: Robert Patrick on His Disturbing Role and Generations Colliding [Interview]

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After premiering at the SXSW Film Festival, Saban Films will release Tone-Deaf, the newest film from Richard Bates Jr. (interview), director of Excision, Suburban Gothic and Trash Fire, in limited theaters on August 23, 2019.

The film follows millennial Olive (Amanda Crew) who, after losing her job and imploding her latest dysfunctional relationship, leaves the city for a weekend of peace in the country, only to discover the shockingly dark underbelly of rural America.

She rents an eccentric, ornate country house from Harvey (Robert Patrick), an old-fashioned widower who’s struggling to hide his psychopathic tendencies — and the two collide.

Bloody Disgusting spoke with Patrick who explains how he prepared for such a taxing role and how he created the film’s menacing antagonist.

“I came at it from a guy my age – 60 years old – thinking about the things that upset me about the younger generation,” he explains, “[things] I see that would make Harvey the way he is. I think it just came down to noticing the disrespect of some institutions that we have in our lives and that builds up the contempt I have for these people. I think pressure, I think having lived your life, and having less to live and just wondering was it all worth it – just really asking myself some deep introspective type questions. You know, the life I’ve led, the people I’ve met and talked to over the years, just tried to build it up and put it all in Harvey.”

He continues: “I’ve never really met anybody that would go this crazy and kill anybody, but I tried to understand what would take somebody and make them snap, you know? I think it’s just hostility and anger, and I think our culture sort of breaths that right now. There’s a real lack of stability and appreciation for human beings on some level. Of course, this is not everybody, but you know, I do think it’s out there. There are a lot of good people in the world. We can’t give up on humanity. There are a lot of good people. Harvey’s not one of them.”

SXSW Tone-Deaf Review

Speaking of killing, the film does get pretty violent:

“It’s pretty bloody, it gets pretty violent, and it is pretty heightened,” Patrick tells me.

“There were a couple things that we shot that I was not really happy with and disturbed me. I had to do what I had to do because it was what we were doing. Hopefully, the audience is disturbed by that. I feel that the violence we are doing is so over the top that that’s where the humor element comes in. People should be very disturbed about what Harvey does, very disturbed. If they are not, then there’s something wrong with them.”

With that said, Patrick thinks we’ll be surprised by some of the humorous aspects in the film.

“Well, hopefully, they find the humor,” he explained when asked about any surprises we can expect from the film. “The violence is pretty heightened and it should be terrifying. It’s being used as a way to hit the audience in the head, literally. There were some things that we filmed that I was disturbed by, that Ricky was disturbed by, just because we have such an appreciation for humanity and human life. [As I previously explained], there were some things that we shot that disturbed me, which is a good thing. It should disturb the audience that way as well. I think if the audience listens…[hopefully] it gets them thinking that we should have more of an appreciation of people who are older than us. We should really just respect each other as human beings; we should all just respect and love each other.”

Lastly, Patrick further touched upon the film’s heavy social commentary.

“There’s so much in this film that I think people can get. There’s a part of Ricky that is just trying to say that we are all full of shit. That is a part of it, but we have to hang on to certain things that we know and we have to hang on to the values that we know. We have to have rules that we live by. The Bible gave us the Ten Commandments and those are the rules that our society and government and everything are based on. This is what Western civilization is based on – these Judeo-Christian values. If we start to not appreciate and respect them and we keep sliding, sliding, sliding further away from that – we start to think that we know better.

“We are in charge of our destiny and our ego gets out of wack, it’s kind of where we are in this current state. I think that’s really what the contempt is between the two generations. We have to have respect for the institutions that we have, the certain things we have, we have to hold those up and protect those values. If we don’t then we’ve got anarchy, and do we want to live in a world where anything goes. I think that’s what Harvey is looking at. I think that from a generational point of view, he does not believe that millennials have the same respect for the things.

“I think there’s so much in there, I really do. I think there’s much that people can get from it if they really let the film take over and they immerse themselves in the film. Let the film wash over you.”

You can let it wash over you when Tone-Deaf arrives in limited theaters this Friday.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep Review - Paul Tremblay AI Horror

Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

Dead but Dreaming of electric sheep

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