Quantcast
Connect with us

Interviews

Rob Zombie on How Terry Reid’s Music Helped Resurrect ‘The Devil’s Rejects’ [Interview]

Published

on

Rob Zombie is back and he’s bringing his homicidal Firefly Family with him in 3 From Hell, debuting this week in theaters via Fathom. That’s a pretty neat trick, considering that all those characters died in a hail of gunfire at the end of their last film, The Devil’s Rejects, way back in 2005.

In a new interview with Bloody-Disgusting, we asked Rob Zombie about what it took to resurrect the characters, behind the screen and also on the page. And it turns out we have none other than English rock star Terry Reid to thank for the return of the Fireflies!

“I’ve always loved the characters. They were always close to me,” Zombie says. “I always thought about resurrecting them but I never did, obviously, for that amount of time. I would always move on to another project. But about three years ago the idea just struck me and I couldn’t get away from it. I just had to do it, or thought it was the right time to do it.”

“So I went to Lionsgate, spoke to them. They were excited about bringing it back and from there it was a couple more years until it was finally all put together and ready to go, but that’s when it started. About three years ago I think,” Zombie adds.

But the question remains, what gave Zombie that idea in the first place?

“It’s weird,” Zombie says, “but whenever I would listen to Terry Reid, there’s a lot of Terry Reid songs in The Devil’s Rejects, off his album Seed of Memory. But there’s a couple of songs that I didn’t use, that every time I would hear them, they sounded like songs that I should use, again, for the next.”

“I would hear the songs and I would so closely link his voice and that album with the characters that I would just start seeing images. And I started just coming up with these ideas how they could have survived and what could have happened. It was not like a full story arc or anything, it was just basic moments, and that’s what sort of got the ball rolling,” Zombie explains.

Terry Reid’s songs “Brave Awakening,” “To Be Treated Rite” and “Seed of Memory” all appeared on the Devil Reject‘s soundtrack. 3 From Hell features Reid’s songs “The Frame” and “Faith to Arise.”

But Zombie doesn’t give all the credit for 3 From Hell to Reid. He says he would have moved on from the characters if the fans hadn’t stayed interested after all these years.

“I never had a plan,” Zombie says. “I mean, I never made a movie where I thought ‘Oh, for sure I’m going to make another one’ as far as a sequel goes. It seems like every time every time I made a movie, that was the end. And with this one [The Devil’s Rejects] I thought that was the end, but I never could get away from it because both House of 1,000 Corpses and Devil’s Rejects seem to grow in popularity every year. So it wasn’t something that I’m thinking about that nobody else is thinking about.”

“It just seemed like every year that went by that the characters became more well known, the movies became more popular, and I would see every year tons of people dressed as the characters for Halloween and everybody would show me their tattoos of the characters and the t-shirts and the action figures. It would just never go away, so they’d never leave my consciousness. I think [that] played more into the idea of keeping it alive for me,” Zombie says. “If it had been a movie from 15 years ago that nobody was really talking about, then I probably would have just moved on in my mind, you know?

Of course, bringing the Firefly Family back on-screen is one thing. Bringing them back from the dead after they were shot what looks like hundreds of times is something else. Zombie had to write them back to life, but it wasn’t quite as complicated as the fan theories made it out to be. No magic, no actual devil, just incredibly good luck.

“I always thought that it was like they got shot a ton of times but somehow they survived. You know, they’re in a hospital forever, they’re in comas, they’re a mess, but somehow they survived,” Zombie explains.

“I never thought like, ‘Oh, it’s supernatural,’ or some other crazy thing brought them back to life. I knew it had to fit into a realistic scenario on some level,” Zombie adds. “You know, anyone can put onto that some other meaning, like ‘Oh, they’re the devil’s rejects, they got kicked out of Hell’ and this and that, and that’s cool, but I always thought it had to be more reality-based. That’s why the beginning of the movie [3 From Hell] I did in a documentary fashion to help make it feel legitimate.”

You can see The Firefly Family’s return for yourself, in theaters, from September 16-18, via Fathom Events!

William Bibbiani writes film criticism in Los Angeles, with bylines at The Wrap, Bloody Disgusting and IGN. He co-hosts three weekly podcasts: Critically Acclaimed (new movie reviews), The Two-Shot (double features of the best/worst movies ever made) and Canceled Too Soon (TV shows that lasted only one season or less). Member LAOFCS, former Movie Trivia Schmoedown World Champion, proud co-parent of two annoying cats.

Click to comment

Interviews

Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

Published

on

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep Review - Paul Tremblay AI Horror

Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

Dead but Dreaming of electric sheep

Continue Reading