Interviews
Jamie Lee Curtis Says Laurie Strode Has Transcended in ‘Halloween Kills’ [Interview]
One of the enduring and most formative Final Girls of horror, Laurie Strode (Jamie Lee Curtis) took quite a beating in 2018’s Halloween. With the help of her daughter and granddaughter, Laurie used forty years of preparation to defeat Michael Myers and leave him for dead. But it left her severely wounded, and he is the boogeyman after all. Halloween Kills lets Michael Myers loose once again, ensuring Strode’s battle is far from over. Laurie is heard in the trailer saying that Michael Myers transcends, but Curtis believes that so too has Laurie.
Speaking with Bloody Disgusting, Curtis shares Laurie’s mindset going into this sequel.
“She’s a wounded warrior. In the back of that truck, I think Laurie thinks it’s over. We got him. Whether she dies or not, her daughter is safe; her granddaughter is safe, Michael’s dead. I think Laurie could happily die in the back of that truck, knowing that she protected her family and killed Michael. And then the fire engine shows up. That’s why her, ‘Let it burn,’ is so emotional because that’s the possibility that they won’t let it burn. But you have to hand off the fight to other people.”

(from left) Karen (Judy Greer), Laurie Strode (Jamie Lee Curtis) and Allyson (Andi Matichak) in Halloween Kills, directed by David Gordon Green.
Curtis continues, “When you’re injured, everybody comes in and says, ‘No, no, no. You stay put. We will take care of you. You’ve taken care of us.’ When Tommy Doyle (Anthony Michael Hall) comes in and says, ‘You took care of me. I’m going to take care of you,’ I think that’s also powerful. It’s challenging. It was challenging because, of course, I wanted to be fighting, and I felt passive. As you said, Laurie is not a passive character. But she raised her daughter and granddaughter well, and it’s incredible.”
The trio of Strode women at the center of this trilogy harkens back to 1978’s original, which centered around Laurie and her two friends Lynda (P.J. Soles) and Annie Brackett (Annie Kyes). It feels like an intentional tip of the hat to Halloween producer and co-writer Debra Hill. Curtis confirmed, “I don’t know if you follow my socials, but I posted a trailer that I had asked the Halloween marketing team to do, which are so good at what they do it’s scary. Excuse the pun. Because I felt like what we were missing was the Strode Strong trailer. I said exactly to your point, ‘I know that a bunch of dudes watch football games, and you put these trailers up on football games, but every one of those dudes has a girlfriend or a wife. They’re going to be drawn to the movie because of these women, and you’re not highlighting it enough. I want you to highlight it more.’ And they created these Strode Strong campaigns. I do think it’s Debra Hill’s legacy. And I think she would be so delighted that I’m wearing orange, sitting here drinking a Coke, which she loved. She used to get those Big Gulp Cokes. And that we’re talking about these three generations from Laurie to Laurie’s daughter, to Laurie’s granddaughter, played by the way, by this spectacularly talented Judy Greer and Andi Matichak.”

Knowing that Halloween Kills is the second entry of a planned trilogy, the straightforward question is if Curtis is personally satisfied by Laurie’s arc on the whole and her legacy.
“First of all, I didn’t know it was a trilogy when I did the 2018 movie. I had no idea. I only found that out in the editing process. I’m glad because I think I might’ve been thinking beyond it; I was very focused on what I had to do. There’s so much emotion in the movie. There’s so much loss. It’s a movie about collective trauma, about collective grief, about collateral damage; not just for the person who was initially attacked, but all of the concentric circles of people and grief around her.
“The brutality in this movie is vicious, and it’s terrifying in a way. It’s so much more violent than any of these movies have been. I think it’s also a sign of the times. She thought he was dead. He has risen. He’s like the phoenix; he has risen from the flames, and I think he has been empowered by that. He has transcended on some level, but so has Laurie. And I think that level of emotion and power will be brought into the next movie for sure.”
Halloween Kills releases in theaters and on Peacock on October 15, 2021.
Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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