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On the Hunt for the Unexplained with “Small Town Monsters” Creator Seth Breedlove [Interview]

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Seth Breedlove is a filmmaker from Ohio who has written, produced, edited, and directed a variety of short and feature films. His interest in legends, folklore, and cryptids led him to form the production company Small Town Monsters in 2015. His first documentary under the Small Town Monsters banner was Minerva Monster, which he followed with films like Boggy Creek Monster, The Mothman of Point Pleasant, and The Bray Road Beast. To investigate these legends and cryptids, Breedlove interviews eyewitnesses and re-creates each case.

Recently, I had the opportunity to chat with Breedlove about his work documenting legends, cryptids, and folklore while he was on the road monster hunting for a new documentary.

Read on to find out what we talked about…


Bloody Disgusting: You created the documentary production company Small Town Monsters which makes movies about monsters, cryptids and legends. How did you first get involved with the supernatural and cryptids and why did you want to tell these stories?

Seth Breedlove: Well, I don’t have a cool origin story or anything. I’ve never seen anything or hadn’t seen anything when I started the company. It was mostly built out of boredom. [laughs] I worked a data entry job, and I had a lot of time to listen to podcasts and cruise the internet at my job and through that I got kind of interested in the paranormal. And then at the time I was writing for newspapers as a freelance reporter, and I became fascinated with this local monster case out of a town called Minerva, Ohio, which was this tight knit community kind of in the middle of nowhere. And I became interested in that case and decided to put together this book proposal that would be sort of based around the idea of that case and then other cases like it and how those sightings or rashes of sightings would take place and strange creatures would affect the communities where they happened.

That was sort of the initial spark that is the flame that became Small Town Monsters. Basically, I sent out this book proposal to every publisher that I could think of that did paranormal books for a book series that would be called Small Town Monsters that would be focused on these communities and how they were affected by their local monster sightings. The book was basically rejected by everyone. Then about two years later I decided to take the book, one of the cases, the Minerva case, that was covered in the book proposal and turn it into a documentary called Minerva Monster and we made it with about 500 bucks, I think.

BD: Wow! $500?

SB: It became the first in the series. This was 2015 so digital wasn’t open to us as completely independent creators. You could post it to YouTube, that would have been about it. So, in 2015 we just sold DVDs and Blu-Rays and then later that fall Amazon opened up their video. I forget what they called it back then, but it was basically their creator platform which didn’t last very long but we were able to get some of our movies on Amazon and as time went on that was how we ended up growing the company was through digital, by being able to post directly to our audience. Our audience grew! Some of our movies had millions of views so that’s how it all happened.

BD: Have you had any personal encounters with cryptids, and if so, what was that like?

SB: I have! It’s fitting too where it happened because it was Minerva! Last September, we were out in Minerva at a friend’s property making what was going to be a YouTube video, almost like a podcast that would be shot on location at this one area. While we were there, we had some really strange things happen. We heard footsteps running through the woods at night and what they call tree knocks, which is basically something hitting a stick on a tree and rocks thrown and all sorts of stuff that didn’t make a lot of sense where we were. Because where we were, there weren’t really other people.

And then the next day, we were out setting up trail cameras and we were crossing a pipeline, which is basically a clearcut up the side of a hill. It was a wooded hill where there’s like this clearing that ran up the hill. We were in an ATV; we crossed the pipeline up the hill and there was a classic hair covered Bigfoot running across the pipeline! So, I kind of freaked out for a second and jumped out of the ATV as it was moving and attempted to get footage but by then it had already crossed into the trees. That so far is the only definitive thing that I’ve seen. It was this real brief moment where I saw something upright, hairy running through the woods [laughs]. It was broad daylight too, so that probably counts for something.

BD: You’ve covered the Mothman, the Bell Witch, Bigfoot, and The Bray Road Beast. Do you have a favorite cryptid or monster story out of all the stories that you’ve been covering?

SB: Yeah, I think it’s Flatwoods Monster. That’s one out of West Virginia. Actually, I’m going to be in Flatwoods tomorrow but it’s probably one of, if not my favorite. It’s really weird. I mean the creature itself is really weird. It’s like robotic, it looks like it’s wearing a skirt, it’s like a thirteen feet tall, robot monster that was sighted by some kids and their mom one night back in 1952. I’ve always loved that story and I love the era in which it takes place. It’s really interesting. We made a movie about it, and we got to play around with the visuals and reference a lot of 1950s B-Movies and stuff like that so that’s always been one of my favorites.

BD: Is there a legend or monster story you haven’t covered that you’re really looking forward to covering in the future?

SB: The one that we’re making right now, The New Jersey Devil. And that’s one we’ve always said that we wanted to do something about. It’s not a classic sort of Small Town Monsters movie. It’s not really about witnesses so much as the evolution of the legend. So, that’s one that I’ve always wanted to do that we’re going to get into. I would say that the other one, at some point I would really like to get into is the Hopkinsville Goblin case in Kentucky. I haven’t really seen that one retold, like the initial event really retold. That’s one that I would like to do at some point. There’s another one called the Dover Demon that I’d also like to cover.


To find out more about Breedlove’s work, you can visit the Small Town Monsters website.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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