Quantcast
Connect with us

Interviews

“Dead Ringers” – Rachel Weisz and Alice Birch on New Reimagining and Honoring David Cronenberg [Interview]

Published

on

Dead Ringers Rachel Weisz

Prime Video has birthed a new vision of David Cronenberg‘s Dead Ringers, with executive producer Rachel Weisz starring in the dual role of Beverly and Elliot Mantle. 

Available now, the limited series is created, written, and executive produced by Emmy-nominated writer and playwright Alice Birch (Lady MacbethThe Wonder).

The series follows the Mantle twins, who share everything: drugs, lovers, and an unapologetic desire to do whatever it takes—including pushing the boundaries of medical ethics—in an effort to challenge antiquated practices and bring women’s health care to the forefront. 

For the series release, Bloody Disgusting spoke with Alice Birch and Rachel Weisz about reimagining Dead Ringers while paying tribute to Cronenberg and more.

“Dead Ringers” forges its own path while maintaining constant visual cues and Easter eggs that ensure Cronenberg’s work is never forgotten.

Birch shares the tricky challenge of finding a balance. She tells us, “Yeah, it was hard. I mean, the film is so iconic. It’s so extraordinary and its own thing. And it was, ‘How much do we steal from it? How much do we borrow? How much do we pay homage?’ Then also, ‘How are we going to tell our own story with these new twins? And set it today and have its own kind of life.’ So it was a delicate balance.”

Dead Ringers

Photo Credit: Amazon Studios

Beverly and Elliot couldn’t be further apart in personality, yet their codependency makes them feel like complementary halves. The answer was simple when asked if Weisz felt that way about them and if she found herself drawn to one character over the other.

Weisz responds, “I think that’s a really interesting way of seeing them, how you see them. I didn’t see them like that. I saw them as two completely distinct human beings that Alice had drawn on the page. With different psychological needs, different desires, different work ethics, and dreams in their work. But who are completely codependent on the other. Whoever I was with, I fully gravitated toward them. And then, when I was the other, I gravitated toward her. Yeah. I didn’t have a favorite. Also, as I guess you were alluding to, they somehow don’t exist without the other. So yeah, they were just both always in conversation with each other.”

Birch’s series doesn’t just wring palpable tension from one uncomfortable dinner scene, but multiple.

The series creator explains, “I love writing a dinner scene. I think maybe I’m just hungry, but it’s just so fun. It’s that process where everybody sits down to eat together; I think people come to that with hope, and then the things going wrong in that space and lots of characters and sort of lots of dialogue. That’s my favorite kind of scene to write. I think they’re always complicated to shoot anyway; when you have an actor playing two parts, incredibly complicated. So, I’m not sure that they were the crew’s favorite those days, but they were a lot of fun.”

Weisz adds, “Yeah. Technically challenging, but just very like bananas. They’re bananas to shoot. A lot of fun. The fact that Alice can write on the page and have ten characters all talking to each other at the same time and keep all those balls up in the air, it’s pretty staggering. And I guess you get more drama with more people stuck around the table together. When things go wrong between them, it’s very entertaining. I mean awful as well, of course. I mean, bloody disgusting.”

Dead Ringers

Photo Credit: Amazon Studios

“Dead Ringers” builds its drama and horror around the Mantle twins’ desire to radicalize women’s healthcare, specifically regarding birth.

Birch reflects on why horror is a perfect vehicle to explore these ideas: “That’s a great question. I mean, there is a lot about the current state of maternal healthcare that is horrifying. We wanted to begin the show in a really grounded place. And meet patients who feel real, are coming in with real dilemmas, and are often hitting difficulties because of the system. Because the structures just aren’t in place to support women. It’s such an individual experience for every woman. So that came pretty easily in terms of the imagined civil exercise and then the writing. Then what was more difficult or more challenging, but a lot of fun, was that these, our twins, have a huge ambition to change that and to imagine something new.

“Those days in the writer’s room were sort of heady and a bit complicated. What’s female architecture? How do you make something that’s bespoke to each woman? How is it also accessible and inclusive? How is it not just about money? Those were complicated but really wonderful conversations.”

You can watch all six episodes of “Dead Ringers” on Prime Video now.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

Click to comment

Interviews

Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

Published

on

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep Review - Paul Tremblay AI Horror

Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

Dead but Dreaming of electric sheep

Continue Reading