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‘Beau Is Afraid’ – Ari Aster and Joaquin Phoenix on Controlled Chaos and a Monstrous Practical Effect [Interview]

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The latest collaboration between A24 and director Ari Aster (Hereditary, Midsommar), Beau Is Afraid, is available now in wide theatrical release.

The “nightmare comedy” sends its protagonist, Beau (Joaquin Phoenix), on a surreal, genre-bending odyssey through guilt and repression as he tries to make his way to his mother’s house. It’s packed with creativity and endless surprises (our review), including a few that venture into horror.

For the film’s release, Bloody Disgusting spoke with Aster and Phoenix for a roundtable discussion on the film. The pair broke down what it was like filming the chaos and also discussed a surprising practical effect no one will see coming…

The first act of the film introduces Beau at his home, a crumbling apartment on a hectic street filled with bizarre denizens. Aster blocks and directs the chaos with seemingly effortless ease, providing the audience with plenty of sight gags to take in.

Beau is Afraid

Aster and Phoenix behind the scenes/Photo Credit: A24

Aster explains his approach, “I just took a lot of time to build it out and think about what all those details could be, who all those people in the street could be. There was no background actor that was just standing there. They all had very, very specific directives.”

Phoenix adds, “I remember thinking in one sequence, ‘This isn’t enough; we need something else.’ But seriously, I was like, ‘Isn’t there something else?’ I’m running across the street. I feel like there’s one other little piece. They’re like, ‘Well, I could have a gun go off, and you could die.’ It still wasn’t enough.”

“I’m so happy with that. So yeah, it’s a great last-minute addition,” Aster tells Phoenix, then continues, “Yeah, that was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. When you’re shooting, it’s not fun because it’s so stressful, but it was a lot of fun to think about and to build out. No, it was actually fun shooting it. That was fun. That choreography there was, with you running across the street, that was such difficult choreography that I think everybody was very focused that day. The ramps that the camera operator had to run up to go through the window and then down again.”

“Yeah. Really cool,” Phoenix confirms.

Of course, a startling late movie reveal veers straight into nightmare territory. It’s so wild – we won’t spoil it here – that it begged the question if anyone voiced concerns about the choice. 

Aster joked before answering, “People were like, are you sure you want to do this? And I was like, ‘Don’t make me think, just do it,’ and it just ended up there. No, if anything, that’s been in the script from the beginning, and I just never had the heart to even imagine the movie without it. I felt like I owed it to the younger Ari in his early twenties, who was so excited to build that 15-foot [redacted for spoilers] that I had to just do it. Yeah, I don’t know. Yeah, it’s based on a drawing I did a long time ago. I’ll just say Steve Newburn built that [redacted] because he’s really great. That prosthetic was huge and very hard. It was a puppet more than a prosthetic, but it was a trip to actually be in the room with that thing.

Want to see the 15-foot practical effect in action? Beau Is Afraid is playing in theaters now.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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‘Rose of Nevada’ Director Mark Jenkin On Turning Time Travel Into A Ghost Story

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Nothing is the same when two crewmates return to shore in Rose of Nevada, the latest by Enys Men filmmaker Mark Jenkin.

Time and reality blur for stars George Mackay (Wolf, 1917) and Callum Turner (Green Room, “Neuromancer”) in the hallucinatory time travel mystery releasing in New York and Los Angeles theaters on June 19, 2026.

But this isn’t your standard time travel movie.

Rose of Nevada bends time and genre in its exploration of Cornish identity and community, upending the lives of  Nick (MacKay) and Liam (Turner). There’s a listless, dreamy quality to the time travel, and for inspired reason: Jenkin approaches it like a haunting.

While time travel was on his mind early in the writing process, Jenkin’s partner and collaborator asked a question that unlocked Rose of Nevada and inspired the filmmaker.

Jenkin explains, “I remember saying to Mary [Woodvine], my partner, who’s in the film, I said to her, ‘God, it really seems like I’ve fallen into this thing of either making films about ghosts or films about time travel,’ and then she said to me, ‘Yeah, but aren’t all ghost stories just time travel films, and aren’t all time travel films just ghost stories?’ And then I thought, ‘Oh, great. So I’m not making two types of films. I’m actually always making one type of film.’ But that was ultimately liberating because I thought there’s a nice gap or a crossover in the perception of genres, there’s a lot of room to play and to be free within that.”

“Once I’d abandoned the idea that I was going to master quantum physics in any academic sense,” the filmmaker continues, “It was incredibly freeing because I thought, ‘Well, I can just set my own rules here,’ and it really doesn’t matter what the rules are as long as you stick to them. You can’t bend them for the sake of the plot or for the sake of a character arc or something. You have to establish those rules upfront and stick to them, which made me really think I’ve got to limit the time travel element. This film can’t be about time travel.

Bearing the brunt of the time travel disruption is Mackay’s Nick, a man struggling to support his family before the ill-fated voyage upends his entire world. It’s the type of role that was an easy yes for the actor, simply because of the filmmaker behind it.

“I saw Bait at the cinema when it was first out a few years ago and was so struck by it,” Mackay tells BD. “I just hadn’t seen a film like it. I want to work with the best directors. I want to work with the best directors and people who have a singular vision. As an actor, the process of work is almost my biggest draw, as well as what a story’s saying, but I think you learn by doing, and if I can do my bit in as many different ways as possible. The physicality and the discipline of Mark’s filmmaking, how that is so entwined in the DNA of the film, and therefore in the way that I work within it, that was the biggest draw. I’m just a fan of Mark’s. I was just very pleased to be involved.”

That reflects in Rose of Nevada‘s unique casting; Mackay initially was eyed for Liam.

“When I first got the call to meet Mark at the audition stage,” Mackay said, “We didn’t wind up reading scenes, but they said, ‘There’s a project. There are two roles in it that you could be right for, and Mark is leaning towards you for Liam.’ So, I had a look at Liam, Callum’s role, and had my interpretation of the script ready to talk about it and what I thought that character was, who he was, and how I’m thinking about how I might inhabit that or what I saw in him. And when we met, we didn’t talk about the film at all. We spoke about everything else. But following that meeting, I got the message, said, ‘Mark would like you to be part of the film, but he thinks you’re definitely more of a Nick,’ which I think I just may be a complete sheep because I went, ‘Of course I’m Nick.’

Mackay continued, “But it’s funny, I do have in my own life, I just started a family, and so much of my last few years of being has been trying to figure that balance and what that means and how you navigate that. So with family being at its core and all the kind of conundrums that come with staying level with that, that rang true. So I felt like I understood objectively, I have my interpretations of what both men mean to each other and within the story, but then once I was playing Nick, I just became about a very present focus on who he was and what his situation was. What I liked about him is that he’s a very straightforward bloke. In the best possible way, he’s quite a simple man. It’s just he’s in an extraordinary situation.”

Jenkin wrote Rose of Nevada during the pandemic lockdown that had forced a halt in production on Enys Men. He’d return to rewrite once Enys Men had been completed, creating overlap between films. “They are even more in conversation than you’d think because the first draft of Rose of Nevada was before I’d made Enys Men, and then everything I learned through the making of Enys Men, I fed into Rose of Nevada. But also the reaction to Enys Men, all the critics and writers and audience members who are telling me what Enys Men was about. I’m always the last to realize what I’ve done, I think like most filmmakers. You don’t really know what you’ve made a film about until the audience tells you. I was able to feed that into Rose of Nevada and also scale it up a little bit. So, yeah, in some ways it predates Enys Men, and in some ways it follows on from it,” he said.

Jenkin’s latest caps what’s unofficially been dubbed his Cornish trilogy, a moniker that initially surprised the filmmaker, but he’s come to embrace it. A recent revisit of Bait made it even clearer. “I can now understand why people are linking the three films together. I’d forgotten how linked they are, which is amazing, really, considering the first draft of Bait was written in 1999. So, most of my adult life has been one way or another making this trilogy. I am quite looking forward to starting the next chapter.”

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