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“True Detective: Night Country” Showrunner Issa López on Ghosts and Season One Connections [Interview]

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True Detective: Night Country,” the brand new season of the hit HBO series, premieres on Max this Sunday, bringing a new murder mystery that dabbles in the strange and supernatural.

The new season hails from acclaimed writer/director/showrunner/executive producer Issa López (Tigers Are Not Afraid), who brings her genre-bending talents to the series along with stars Jodie Foster alongside Kali Reis.

Issa López serves as showrunner and writer and directs all episodes of the new season, which centers around the bizarre disappearance of eight men who operate the Tsalal Arctic Research Station. Detectives Liz Danvers (Foster) and Evangeline Navarro (Reis) will have to confront the darkness they carry in themselves and dig into the haunted truths buried under the eternal ice to solve the mystery.

Ahead of the season’s premiere, Bloody Disgusting spoke with López in a roundtable interview, where the filmmaker revealed more of what to expect from the new season.

Jodie Foster and Kalis Reis

“Night Country” initially began as a very different project for López, one that organically evolved into the new season of “True Detective.” That doesn’t mean there aren’t any connections to the previous seasons. Expect plenty of nods and Easter eggs ahead, particularly for the first season that began it all.

The filmmaker explains, “I had a very hazy general concept of something I wanted to explore, but there were no tacks in place yet. I had the world, the feeling, and the mystery of what had happened to these men, and then when HBO approached me with the question of, ‘What would you do with True Detective?’ I thought, ‘This is crazy, but this is what I would do.’ Then, the moment that I was given the True Detective of it all, it became clear that I could take the things that excited me about that first season: the two characters, the focus on the landscape behind them, the supernatural tones… and it just completely clicked with what I had.”

López continues, “What I kept about it is that there’s a bunch of winks to the first season, from characters that are related to characters in that first season to the beer they drink to the long drives where the two characters explore their own visions of the universe that are completely opposed, to some things that happen in Episode Six that you will see in time. But it is a love letter, in a way, to all the things that really worked in that first season.”

Those familiar with López’s Tigers Are Not Afraid know that her ghosts, though ominous, give a voice to the voiceless. That applies here, too, though in a much different setting and context.

The showrunner says of her ghosts this season, “Well, I have learned that we’re not alone. We walk, and we carry the people that we have lost. I believe that, and I saw that in the first True Detective, Cohle had a daughter, and we see her. I thought it was the perfect environment; this town at the end of the world where reality is coming apart at the seams, and sometimes we can peek through the fabric of things, and you can see the dead walking with you.”

Her lead characters, Liz Danvers and Evangeline Navarro, represent two opposites: a believer and a skeptic. But that’s not always the case as the season progresses, and the oft-stubborn Danvers is more open to the world’s possibilities than she initially lets on. When asked whether that’s an extension of herself and what it was like to write for veteran actor Jodie Foster, López shed more light on the interesting dynamics at play between her leads this season.

Jodie Foster in Night Country

“It is absolutely a reflection of me,” López tells us. “I think that what makes these two characters fascinating is that one of them represents the non-believer that in moments of doubt believes, and the other one is the believer that in moments of doubt doubts. And both of them are, I think, all of us. I think that the ones of us who are believers have our moments of doubt, and the ones of us who are non-believers have our moments of faith. And it’s fascinating to see characters that dance between these two sides.

“Writing for Jodie Foster was a delight. She will always question every decision in the most wonderful way and make you think again about what you’re doing. But you also know that when you’re writing a scene that is funny or poignant or is bitter or angry, nobody’s going to be able to deliver it the way she will, and she will blow your mind every single time. Honestly, she’s spoiled me. I don’t think I can work with anybody else after her. It’s over.”

Just how far “Night Country” veers into supernatural territory, according to its showrunner, is ultimately up to the viewer.

López explains, “The thing with this series, as was the case with Tigers, is that there’s a read of the events in the series, same as with the original True Detective, by the way, that absolutely sticks to reality. There’s a real explanation for every single event in the series that does not require the presence of the supernatural. But there’s a read where every event is related to what I call a wider world, and it’s up to you, like an inkblot test, to decide which series you’re watching. Or maybe it’s mostly of one with touches of the other, but it’s your decision. So in that way, it’s a really interesting position and read that this world, this town, exists right at the edge, between here and whatever is beyond.”

“True Detective: Night Country” premieres January 14, 2024 on Max.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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