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‘Things Will Be Different’ – Director Michael Felker on the Surprising Family Origins for His Twisty Sci-Fi Thriller

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Chances are high, if you’re here, that you’re familiar with the names Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead, the filmmakers behind Spring and The Endless. Prepare to add one more name to that list: Benson & Moorhead’s longtime editor Michael Felker, set to make his feature debut with upcoming sci-fi thriller Things Will Be Different.

Things Will Be Different is world premiering at the SXSW Film Festival on March 11, and the film was produced by Benson & Moorhead.

Adam David Thompson and Riley Dandy star in Things Will Be Different. They play siblings Joseph and Sidney, who are on the run from the law at the start of the film. Then, the mysterious farmhouse they are staying in inexplicably transports them through time. A cryptic force emerges and traps them on the strange plot of land, giving them a lethal ultimatum in order to escape.

Ahead of the film’s premiere, Bloody Disgusting spoke with writer/director/co-editor Michael Felker about parlaying his editing work into a heady sci-fi feature that nestles seamlessly into the cinematic universe that Benson and Moorhead have created.

The idea for Things Will Be Different came organically to Felker, who drew inspiration from his family. More specifically, Felker made this movie for his family.

“I am the son of a very nerdy engineer film lover,” Felker explains of his sci-fi origins. “My dad raised me on a bunch of movies growing up, mainly sci-fi because he’s an avid sci-fi reader. He’s an avid sci-fi movie lover. Anytime I’d see him or hang out, since I was 10 years old, we’d go see a sci-fi movie. Then if it’s one that’s got a lot of world-building or a lot of sci-fi, puzzly questions, we’d just go get coffee afterwards and just pick it apart and have our own theories and everything.

“So, I think it was about two years ago, we just got out of Everything Everywhere All at Once, and we both loved it, and we went and got coffee afterwards. I was in the middle of trying to conceive a movie that I want to do at our abandoned family farm in Michigan. I was like, ‘Dad, I want to do a cool sci-fi movie at the farm. I’ve got some ideas.’ I started pitching him some stuff, and that’s how Things Will Be Different became born, I guess. That’s a bad way of saying it, ‘was born.’ It was mainly a movie for him. I just wanted a movie that he would enjoy and pick apart with me or with anyone he wanted to over coffee afterwards.”

While the film originated from talking with his dad, it revolves around the relationship between a brother and sister. That, too, was informed by Felker’s family.

He shared, “I do have an older sister. In fact, not to go into too much spoiler territory, but me and my sister have matching Triforce tattoos on our arms. There’s a tattoo thing that happens in the movie that is very specific to me and my sister. Because we don’t see each other very much. She has a whole other career and lives back in our hometown in Alabama. And I live in California. We don’t talk very much, but when we do, we text each other. If we’re having a bad day, we just take a picture of our tattoos and say, ‘Hey, miss you, love you,’ and then we text it right back. So definitely, this movie was also a deep way of saying and finding connection and missed time with my sister through this movie as well.”

Family extends beyond blood relatives, too, with his long-time collaborators Benson and Moorhead not only encouraging Felker to make this movie, but they also jumped on board to executive produce and offer any help needed.

We’re all very close. I’ve been with them since working on their first movie, Resolution. I’ve edited all their movies since then. I talk to them all the time. I mean, hell, I’m shooting them texts now, and they’re shooting on a show. The biggest thing is I always wrote a lot of scripts during my downtime in between editing, and I would always send it to them because I would just be like, ‘Hey, let me know your thoughts or whatever.’ And they would always get back to me right away with like, ‘Here’s what we think. This is cool. Eh, this is not our thing, blah, blah, blah.’ We did that for years. Then finally, when I wrote this script, I sent it to them, and I was like, ‘Hey, I’m going to go make this thing. Give me your blessing,’ is basically how I said it. They always give me great advice. They read it, and they immediately got back to me, [producer] Dave Lawson and they were just like, ‘Not only do we think it’s a really great script, but it actually feels like a Rustic Films movie. We want to be on board immediately.’

“So, they came on board as EPs right away, and they basically were like, ‘Whatever you need. You know us. We know you. We trust you. Just let us know what you need, and we’ll drop it from wherever we are.’ They’ve been the best partners still. They’re the best creative partners still because they’ve just been so supportive even to this day on the movie, and the movie wouldn’t be where it is if it weren’t for them.”

Felker also teases some of that extended family in quick cameos here, and that tease comes with the surprising reveal that we’ve likely spotted Felker before on screen.

“Dave Lawson and Aaron Moorhead’s also in the movie as well. They have a very small cameo because we almost had them on the shoot, and then schedules be what they may. So we found a way to get them in. But for us, I was an extra in Resolution. I was an extra, that may have been kind of cut, in The Endless. I don’t know if I was in Synchronic. I was in Something in the Dirt as myself at one point in that movie, not to spoil that part too much. We are always using each other as resources.”

Felker also drew surprising inspiration from a very different genre when charting the course for this time-bender.

A big reference movie for me was Blood Simple, which has a very similar engine trajectory, where it’s like a character makes this decision, whether it’s the smartest decision or it’s the most passionate decision, and all chaos breaks out to the point where you don’t know where that movie goes either. I love that movie. The best sci-fi are the ones that discover the unknown, and it’s not so much what you take back with you, but what you reach out for and maybe discover or maybe find some new theory. That really leaned to the storytelling techniques, to the point where every time I watch it, I’m just like, ‘Man, I can’t believe we went there.’ If I charted this out and knew knew too much, this wouldn’t have been where I would’ve gone, and it would’ve been safe. And safe is where you find the tropes, where you find time-travel stuff that you’ve seen all the time. I wanted to steer away from that, and that means sometimes being blind to the tropes during my process.”

The biggest question heading into SXSW’s world premiere is, has dad seen it yet?

“He has seen a very early rough cut because I wanted his notes, and he was over the moon. He was so over the moon. We talked about it for hours after, and he gave me very small, little tweaks that we did. It’s funny because he’s seen my shorts, and he goes like, ‘Yeah, that was fine.’ But this one, he watched it and went, he was like, ‘Holy cow!’ He sent me a ton of emails that were just one-liners all over the place. When that happened, I was like, ‘Oh, the rest of this is just playing with house money. Whatever happens, the movie’s a success.'”

Expect to hear more about Things Will Be Different soon.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Co-Host of the Bloody Disgusting Podcast. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon and SeriesFest.

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‘In a Violent Nature’ – How THAT Centerpiece Kill Came Together [Interview]

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Experimental slasher In a Violent Nature, writer/director Chris Nash’s feature debut, sliced up an impressive opening weekend at the box office and received critical acclaim for its unique take on the slasher subgenre. But there’s one standout moment that has horror fans buzzing: a centerpiece kill so unexpected and gnarly that it ensures undead killer Johnny (Ry Barrett) is a slasher villain to remember.

In a Violent Nature frames the slasher events from the perspective of Johnny, summoned from the dead when a locket is removed from a collapsed fire tower in the woods that entombs his rotting corpse. In a recent chat, Chris Nash and Ry Barrett revealed just how tough this experimental slasher was to make, with Barrett joining the cast well into production, prompting extensive reshoots. That also applies to the aforementioned kill, which is best described as a “yoga pretzel.”

In this sequence, Johnny comes upon Aurora (Charlotte Creaghan) as she’s practicing yoga cliffside. He disembowels her with a rusty hook, then pulls her head back and through the gaping hole in her torso, contorting her body into a gruesome pretzel. It’s a scene that caught Barrett’s attention before taking the role.

Yoga pretzel

Barrett explains, “When I read that in the script, that was the scene where I was like, ‘Okay, now we’re really getting into it.’ And it just kept going and going. There was another step to it, another step, and I was just like, ‘I wonder if they’re actually going to do all of this. That’s what I was thinking. Then, sure enough, we did it all.

“That whole scene, actually, there’s a span of almost a year, from the lead-up to Johnny walking up to her, and then when the actual kill starts to happen; we didn’t have enough time to pull off the full effects of her getting killed,” he continues. “Then there was a weather thing or something, but we couldn’t shoot at that location. I think the weather maybe didn’t match or something, so we had to go back on another block and pick up the rest of that kill from the point of literally just the hook. So, there was almost a whole year in between that location and coming back to it. They went and re-matched the weeds and the leaves and everything to look like that. But I mean, I’ve watched the movie twice now, and even knowing that, I haven’t noticed it.

The actor also walks us through what’s going through Johnny’s mind at that particular moment.

Personally, I tried to give Johnny, just for his motivation, he’s a bit of a wild animal, and there’s no logic at certain points other than he’s on this one mission to get this thing back, Barrett explains. “I think everything else in between is just whatever comes in his way in getting to that main goal; he just doesn’t want to deal with it, basically. I looked at him as a wild animal, as something that belonged where he was, and everything else to him didn’t belong there other than the trees and nature. That was my mentality of looking into things.

“I think the yoga pretzel was that Chris wanted to do something so different and crazy, with so many steps to it, that it was just something that no one would’ve ever seen before. Then having it on this setting of this cliff top just added to everything, too.

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Extensive reshoots meant that this impressive sequence was also affected, and Nash details just how tricky the standout kill was to execute. More specifically, Nash reveals just how long it took to pull this moment together.

Nash tells us, “All the pieces were filmed months and months apart. We started filming that in early May, and then we filmed a second chunk of it, the majority chunk in August. Then, we did pickups in December in my producer’s mother’s backyard. That kill especially is made up of little different tableaus of inner spice, little details of what’s happening to the victim’s body. Building everything was quite difficult, but it wasn’t that difficult to piece it all together. For instance, the one shot that we got in the producer’s mother’s backyard was when the character’s neck is down and we just see a little bit of vertebrae pop up out of her neck. That was just angled downwards, so we can just throw a bunch of dirt on the ground and kind of cover everything up.

“The only thing that we had to fight was the fact that there was a huge seasonal change between May and August in Northern Ontario, Nash continues. “Luckily, we were mainly shooting into the sky because it’s an elevated area. There were ways that we could get around it for sure. As far as where I came up with and how I envisioned that one, I was always trying to figure out deaths that were very specific and unique to his implements. So I was just thinking, for that one especially, what can I do with the hooks? A knife wouldn’t work the same. So yeah. I can’t tell you exactly where it started, but the whole step-by-step process was, ‘How could this get worse? And just coming to a point where ‘There’s no fixing this. Even if you called the doctor right now, there’s no help.'”

Johnny overlooking cliff

Prosthetic effects lead Steven Kostanski (Psycho Goreman, The Void) emphasized just how much shifted in production, save for Aurora’s unforgettable demise. He details, “Some stuff had to get truncated a bit. There were certain kills where they had to simplify them, but that was more on a production level, not necessarily the gag itself. The Aurora death, where she gets spiked in the head and pulled through her own stomach, I feel like he had that from the beginning and was dead set on making that happen. That was definitely one of the more ambitious gags that he hard committed to making sure we got on screen. Thankfully, with all those big sequences, he would do simple storyboards for them so I could at least have a sense of what I’m looking at in the frame. Because in prosthetics and in effect, it’s always about where can I hide blood tubes, where can I hide people? What is the action that the shot needs, and what do I need to do to sell that illusion? Chris was really good about committing to how to shoot this stuff and giving me that direction so I knew how to pull off the illusion.”

Kostanski breaks the kill down, “It’s an elaborate gag, so the problem is that it all can’t be done in one body. While in the scene, it feels like it’s one thing happening. It’s actually multiple bodies doing different things. It was just time contingent, like how much time do you have to set up and blood rig and prep these things on a day, so it necessitated shooting it over multiple days. Again, just how elaborate it was. I built a chunk of it, Chris built a chunk of it. The beat where her spine was separating was all Chris. He built that on his own, and I was more just focused on getting the actual three Aurora bodies ready to go.

“One of them was built just for taking the spike in the head and starting to tilt down, and then the second body was taking it from 90 degrees into the stomach, and then the third body was pulling the head through the stomach. Because obviously, the cavity that Johnny punches through her stomach is only so big. So, on that third and final body, we had to cheat it a lot bigger to accommodate a head pushing through. Yeah, it was just a very elaborate gag with a lot of moving parts, a lot of pieces, and it just necessitated shooting it over multiple days.”

In a Violent Nature slasher kill

Of course, Aurora’s standout death isn’t the only grisly end for the film’s unlucky campers. But for Kostanski, it’s still his favorite. He says, “That Aurora kill is so iconic that it’s hard not to pick that one because I’ve never seen that before, and that was Chris’s intention, to actually do something that had never been done. I think it fully succeeds at that. It’s a pretty insane moment. That really summarizes the movie, which is full of subtlety and more of a tone poem-type scenes, and then we cut into a girl getting a spike in her head and pulled through her own stomach. I think that chaotic opposition to the two types of movies happening in the same movie is what makes it so interesting and fun. Yeah, I’d say the Aurora kill is the best one.”

In a Violent Nature is now playing in theaters nationwide.

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