Interviews
‘Dead Mail’ – How the Cast and Crew Brought Authenticity to Fictional ’80s Psychological Thriller
Writers/Directors Joe DeBoer and Kyle McConaghy’s lo-fi ’80s psychological thriller, Dead Mail, anchors its offbeat story, characters, and retro style around profound loneliness. Bloody Disgusting spoke with the filmmakers along with stars Sterling Macer Jr. and John Fleck at SXSW, where the film made its world premiere, about their unique approach to the genre-bender.
Dead Mail leans heavily into the ’80s analog aesthetic, delivering a unique crime thriller unafraid to get weird with its dark narrative.
In the film, “On a desolate, Midwestern county road, a bound man crawls towards a remote postal box, managing to slide a blood-stained plea-for-help message into the slot before a panicking figure closes in behind him. The note makes its way to the county post office and onto the desk of Jasper, a seasoned and skilled ‘dead letter’ investigator, responsible for investigating lost mail and returning it to its sender. As he investigates further, Jasper meets Trent, a strange yet unassuming man who has taken up residence at the men’s home where Jasper lives. When Trent unexpectedly shows up at Jasper’s office, it becomes clear he has a vested interest in the note, and will stop at nothing to retrieve it…”
Sterling Macer Jr. plays the captive Josh, with John Fleck as Josh’s captor, Trent. Susan Priver, Micki Jackson, Tomas Boykin, and Nick Heyman also star.
While Dead Mail takes its characters on a bizarre journey through keyboard synth and murder, the concept behind it is loosely rooted in fact. At least where dead letter mail is concerned.
Kyle McConaghy explains of the film’s origins, “Joe discovered that a version of it exists. We made a decision after that of, ‘Okay, we know this is a thing.’ We read a couple sentences on Wikipedia, but let’s make our own version of this. To the point of we tried to film in a real post office and they wanted to read the script. They read the script and they’re like, ‘No way. Our employees would never conduct themselves this way.’”
“’This is totally unrealistic,’ Joe DeBoer adds. “Yeah, the first thing we built was the whole system. Let’s make it so there’s a ton of dead letters, he can only investigate the valuables. and let’s make Jasper just a total savant. He should be a crime detective, and then let’s give him a Norwegian counterpart, get some of the info he needs. So, it was just really fun to build that.”

McConaghy and DeBoer bring a lot of style and creativity to capturing the ’80s and its lo-fi aesthetic, which is all the more impressive for a small independent production. For Sterling Macer Jr., who spends a large portion of the film chained and tormented by his kidnapper, that meant a less glamorous shoot that helped inform his character’s duress.
Macer Jr. explains, “The toilet wasn’t too far away from the sink, which made the whole thing seem to feel like a place you didn’t want to be on the floor of and yet there I was and at first you feel like, ‘Okay, well this is an acting gig. This is what you do.’ Sometimes I’ve been everything from dragged behind a horse to busting in the White House as an actor. That’s the gig. You’re going to be doing things that you just didn’t expect, but this, it had a weight to it emotionally because you’re bound, sometimes gagged, and the ties on your wrists are tighter than you would think they would be, but it’s appropriate. And because you don’t have all the accoutrements of a huge studio production, you don’t have somebody coming up and making sure you’re okay. You’re on the floor and you’re waiting for the camera to move, things to get adjusted, and so you have to live with that experience being bound and you can’t do anything about it and you’re here on this grimy floor. There was an emotional weight to that, which was good because it was useful.”
“When Sterling first came out chained up, I think we did have a plastic chain, but Sterling’s so committed,” McConaghy says of his star. “He always chose the more realistic option. So he had a real chain around him. He was all dirty when he came out. As his friends, it kind of broke our heart and it was like, ‘Man, is this okay? Have we gone too far? Man, this is not cool.’ But no, the commitment was impressive. I think you forwent knee pads a few times because you wanted the realism of it.”
“After a couple of times then I went with the pads. I’d like to be tough guy, but Charles Bronson I ain’t,” Macer Jr. cracks.
Opposite Josh is the villainous Trent, made surprisingly sympathetic by John Fleck’s performance. There’s a deep loneliness that drives Trent to committing terrible acts in the film, but was that the central trait that unlocked the character for Fleck?
Fleck tells us, “I would have to say it’s not so much the loneliness, but it’s sort of derived from it because Josh values and likes his loneliness, his solitary existence. I think the fact that Trent shows up in his life and all of a sudden the notion of partnership and working on, it’s a foreign notion to him, but he’s so naïve about it. That’s really what I liked about the character once I realized that it took a little while, but there’s the naivete of Josh is what allows for Trent to enter into his life the way he does. Then I realized, well, this is a character, something like I’ve never done on screen before. Play a character that is so unknowing and is so not this more aggressive nature.”

The gritty analog style in Dead Mail lends a period authenticity. When combined with its quirks and hyper specific detail, it’s easy to buy this thriller as rooted in fact. So much so that a text and photo epilogue could convince many that the events in Dead Mail drew basis from a true story, even when the end credits make it clear that it’s all fiction.
That final coda wasn’t initially planned, either.
DeBoer reveals how this serendipitous closing button came to be: “[McConaghy] was sending a draft and he threw that in at 4:00 in the morning one night. I watched the next morning and I was like, ‘This is amazing. We have to keep this in. And then we did.'”
McConaghy jokes, “It was more to test like, is Joe and our producer, are they getting sacked? Are they actually going to watch the whole thing? But it felt like, I mean we slogged through an edit. It felt like we need a pick me up, we need to do something here. It was intended just to be a stupid joke. But yeah, it stuck.”
Interviews
Lily Sullivan and Kate Dolan on Killer AI ‘SOULM8TE’: “I Want You to Feel the Silicone”
Evil Dead Rise final girl Lily Sullivan finds herself coated in blood once more in SOULM8TE, but this time as the killer.
In Blumhouse’s new horror movie, arriving on Digital on August 1, Sullivan stars as Sara, an Artificially Intelligent android whose sole purpose is to serve as the perfect partner for her owner, David (David Rysdahl). But impossible beauty standards and programming safety measures that have been tampered with set this love bot to destroy mode when her relationship with David becomes threatened.
Director Kate Dolan (You Are Not My Mother), who rewrote an original draft from Rafael Jordan (Salvage Marines), based on a story by James Wan, Ingrid Bisu and Jordan, drew inspiration from ’90s erotic thrillers like Fatal Attraction.
They became a guide of sorts to Sara’s villainous turn, Kate Dolan explained to Bloody Disgusting. “All those old movies, when I was re-watching them to prep, I was writing the script, I was like, ‘Damn, these women are really just being driven into these scenarios by these men, these hapless men who are just treating them so badly. These men should really be getting their just desserts.’ But I think that was something we had as a guide for Sara: what really makes her into that femme fatale or that evil woman is just the impossible task of being a perfect woman and trying to balance being the Madonna and the whore and all these different kinds of aspects of being a woman and not being able to compute that. That’s what drives her crazy.
“That was always what really drew me to the story: of how to reframe that femme fatale or that villainous woman of the erotic thriller and do something new with it and something different.”
Lily Sullivan agrees: “She felt like a contemporary evolution of those characters. It’s like processing it all and then putting it through in an output. But it was so fun to try to find the old Hollywood archetypes of women in the 1990s, where it is built around fantasy, projection, desire. Then you’re just, even as the actor, then going through makeup, going through costume, where it’s all of these things that are kind of messed up about the blonde wig, the covering your whole body in paint so you can’t see any of your imperfections, or getting your teeth whitened and a push-up bra, and you’re just like, ‘Whoa. Why am I so angry? Why do I not feel enough? And why am I actually, literally, the male gaze right now?’ I was like, ‘Booked.'”

It turns out, though, that it was the impossible ideal of perfection that Sara represents that terrified Sullivan. She credits Dolan for helping her take on the intimidating role, one she was extremely hesitant to tackle at first.
Sullivan explains, “To do it, I’m like, someone’s going to meet your freak. We’re both choosing to do this. But at first I met Kate, and I felt like I told her all the reasons why I couldn’t do it or shouldn’t do it or why I was worried instead of being like, ‘Yeah, I’d love the role.’ I just weirdly had this verbal diarrhea of freaking out that I was like, ‘I don’t think I can.’ But then usually when you are that scared, it’s usually an indication to walk towards it. But really for me, it was Kate.“
Once she was on board, though, Sullivan grabbed the role by the throat. “Then also just again, to walk into the inky, gross, shadowy stuff of being a woman where I’m like, ‘How about I go over-hypersexualize the hell out of myself?’ But I’m going to make it uncanny valley. I want you to feel as silicone as much as you can. So I’m going to bring my Jim Carrey version of it, The Mask work, the Jacques Lecoq method of finding it through physicality. So there was so much nourishment in the challenge of it. Even reading the words when I was reading Kate’s writing, I’m going into Palisade mode. I was like, ‘I’ve got to go figure out what that language even means.’ And, ‘It better be as jarring as I possibly can.’ We love David, but we judge him for being able to project a whole life onto this wonky woman who’s forced to be there.”
Dolan reveals she did a lot of research into AI, and our home uses of it like Amazon’s Alexa, which informed Sara’s soothing voice and mannerisms. It also informed Sara’s parent company and new owner, David. “I was reading a lot about why that’s appealing, but also bias within the tech industry and how it’s predominantly male-led,” Dolan says. “So, you’re getting a lot of men of a certain background and life experience all thinking that this is the right thing to do.”

The director uses the ’90s thriller framework as an abstract metaphor for how we’re currently engaging with AI now, and “how people engage with them and what you get from that back.” That didn’t just inspire Sara’s look and design, but her methods of murder.
“The kills were very much like, I won’t spoil anything, but it was always ways that the men would be taken down a peg, then emasculated, or just put in a chokehold; literally, it was the kind of concept behind a lot of them,” Dolan explains. “And then it was just like: what would be most fun? What would be really fun to do? What would be fun to film and fun to watch as an audience? I mean, they were great fun, and all our male cast were very eager and excited to have these death scenes. That was the most exciting day on set when they were getting ready to be completely eviscerated.”
If it’s not already apparent, it feels strange to consider Sara a villain when she has no actual agency, though there’s no question she’s the terror of SOULM8TE. And Sullivan had a blast taking on the baddie role. Especially when it came to eviscerating the pursuit of perfection and anyone who dares to get in Sara’s way.
Sullivan teases a favorite kill of hers as she recalls the joy of playing a horror movie psycho, “Even loving the stiletto in the mouth referenced from The Last Seduction, just sets the heart. Even just having the plastic apron as I’m sawing the man’s body like a cello, little wink at American Psycho. It was so fun making a film about AI that’s super tech-based. Obviously our whole lives are bombarded by it, and it’s quite nauseating. If you’re going to make a film about AI, this serving is fun, it’s twisted, but it’s also freaky. And the freak show circus is already here, unfortunately.”

Lily Sullivan and Kate Dolan behind the scenes
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