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‘Friday the 13th: Jason Lives’ Was ‘Heart Eyes’ Director Josh Ruben’s North Star on Slasher Rom-Com
Scare Me and Werewolves Within director Josh Ruben is carving up his place in the slasher pantheon with Heart Eyes, a charming rom-com with a gnarly body count.
Olivia Holt and Mason Gooding star as co-workers mistaken for a couple, putting them directly in the crosshairs of a vicious killer on Valentine’s Day. The slasher, out in theaters this Friday, wears its romantic comedy influences on its sleeves, but one key slasher guided Ruben on his first slasher film.
“My gold standard, my north star, was Tommy McLoughlin’s Jason Lives,” Ruben tells Bloody Disgusting of the film’s influences. “That film is as brutal as it is silly as it is fun, and that was the white whale. Then everything after that was searching within myself, the kid that loved rom-coms, like Sleepless in Seattle, which is as funny and sweet as it is heartbreaking, super well acted but also silly, etc. Also, movies like Defending Your Life and Big and so on and so forth.”
Director Josh Ruben (center), Jordana Brewster as Detective Jeanine and Mason Gooding as Jay on the set of Screen Gems and Spyglass Media Group’s HEART EYES. Photo by: Christopher Moss
Striking the right tone between romantic comedy and horror isn’t the easiest needle to thread, but Ruben’s trick to finding that perfect balance starts with his cast. The director didn’t want knowing winks in any of his actors’ performances.
Ruben says, “You always start with actors who ideally have chemistry, and it blooms from there. The icing on the cake is the funny boss (Michaela Watkins) or Gigi Zumbado as Olivia’s friend in the film, doing their thing, being as big as they would be in this film if it were just a rom-com. But then you just make sure that the actors play terror for real, and they don’t get caught trying to be funny. That is my MO for everything that I make because if your actors are playing it with a wink, you’re dead. You can’t do what I want to do tonally.”
The filmmaker also looked to a pair of horror masters for tone. “I look at Joe Dante’s work as, even some of John Carpenter’s stuff, but I think Joe Dante specifically is someone who can get away with. Look at Phoebe Cates’ monologue in Gremlins, but also, Mom just smashed the shit out of a gremlin with a pot, a pan, and a knife. It all works because everybody is so genuine, it’s so heartfelt, and then the icing on the cake is the filmmaking stuff. That was how it all came together. And then, of course, with music, sound design, composer Jay Wadley, it was the same thing. Let’s not get caught trying to be funny. Let’s just do an Alan Silvestri suite that you’d hear in Father of the Bride and then have it ratchet to Christopher Young.”
The Heart Eyes killer from Screen Gems and Spyglass Media Group’s HEART EYES. photo by: Christopher Moss
Finding the tone is one thing, but a slasher lives and dies by its killer. Once the killer’s look and mask design were in place, the next step was ensuring the Heart Eyes killer had a personality to match.
“I wanted to see what our stunt performer, Alex McColl, he’s phenomenal, brought to it without instructing Alex to do anything specifically,” Ruben explains. “I did tell him he had to watch Jason Lives. I wanted to start there and say, ‘Alex, just watch Jason Lives, and let me just see what you do.’ Then I would tweak it. I wanted to get the head cock because they always do the head cock, you know, and that just feels super iconic to me. I always pictured Nick Castle, or really any moment in H20 where you get to see Michael do his famous move. But the most original you can make it is allowing an individual to come in and put their stamp on it. Then I shape that if I need to.
“The only thing I would instruct Alex to do was sharpen certain movements or keep sensuality in mind because Heart Eyes is kind of an erotic character, in a way. We talked a little bit about Pinhead, etc. But I needed them to bring their own originality to it, and then, from then on, anything that bumped me as the director, ‘No, that’s too much, or it’s too little, or it’s not enough.’ There’s very little you have to do in a mask like that to be effective.”
Of course, getting to helm a slasher let Ruben, a massive horror fan, tackle a slasher must: the kills. He admits, “I wish I could have added a few more. I really wanted to homage to the pickaxe going through the face and eyeball from My Bloody Valentine because it’s so brilliant. But I don’t know if it would have done much for me or for the audience. We’ve seen that before. What else can you do? I try to, as a genre fan, lean into specifics because those are what make the memorable kills.”

Ruben put a lot of thought into the kills, making sure they were fresh and original. “There’s the very first kill of the movie; I absolutely love it because it’s so specific. I’m a huge horror fan, and I love interesting, fun kills,” he explains. “Specifics are your best friend. That was everything I wanted to bring to it. The quote, unquote, ‘famous van kill’ was just a meditation I had. I thought, ‘No one did the Michael Bay Texas Chainsaw thing for a while, maybe we should just homage that. But without it being a gunshot, maybe there’s a tire iron angle to it.’ They were very much in the script. But any great action sequence written out in a screenplay the director is given, it wasn’t micromanaged or super spelled out. It had a lot of freedom to kind of meditate on, ‘What else can I do? How specific can we get about where the puncture is and how I shoot it?’ That’s so fun and invaluable because we’ve seen everything. You’ve seen everything. So it’s like, ‘What else can we do?'”
Heart Eyes takes place over one intense evening, and luckily, you can see in the dark. This is a night slasher with stunning clarity. That was part of Ruben’s intent. “I wanted blue moonlight from the beginning. I’m a huge blue moonlight fan. I love my Joe Dante. I love Jaws, I love Get Out. And I also love anything Steven Spielberg that used to freak me out. I wanted to bring blue moonlight into the fray because rom-coms of yesteryear also had blue moonlight that usually came in through raked blinds.
“You look at Jason Lives, and there’s the same lighting/gaffing effect, shaping the room so blue moonlight was where we started. Then you bring in the colors of a Valentine’s Day movie to make it feel like you’re watching a rom-com that then gets, you know, Wes Craven.”
Heart Eyes releases in theaters on February 7, 2025.

Josh Ruben on set of ‘Heart Eyes’
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‘Don’t Move’ First Look: James “Murr” Murray & Maclain Nelson Preview Giant Spider Horror Feature That’s “Better Than The Book” [Exclusive]
Spiders are no laughing matter in Don’t Move, the upcoming horror movie from “Impractical Jokers” star James “Murr” Murray and director Maclain Nelson (Vamp U).
Don’t Move adapts the 2020 novel of the same name from co-authors Murray and Darren Wearmouth, unleashing a prehistoric arachnid upon an unsuspecting church group’s annual retreat. It’s massive, and it hunts by vibration.
The creature feature is the first under Murray’s new banner, Impractical Studios, designed to bring his authored works and love of horror to mainstream audiences.
Murray has big plans for Impractical Studios; the multihyphenate talent teases an adaptation of his holiday slasher novel as he explains the origins of his new label. “The idea for that was I’ve written nine thriller novels with major publishing houses: three with Harper Collins, three with Penguin Random House, two with Blackstone, two with St. Martin’s Press. Big publishing houses. The idea being that I would create the IP, create the big ideas.
“I love horror so much, and I love writing thrillers. I have a degree in English and literature. So, the idea was that I would create the worlds I want to see on film and then eventually partner with people like McLean, who adapted Don’t Move into the screenplay. We did Don’t Move comes out this September, and then next year, we’re going to make You Better Watch Out, my serial killer thriller I wrote, and then so-and-so forth down the line.“
Murray Thinks the Movie is Better Than the Book

T-Pain and Russ in Don’t Move
Don’t Move wasn’t the first novel Murray authored, but it was the first of his books that longtime friend Maclain Nelson read. That proved to be the true origin of this creature feature. “I actually felt like a bad friend because he’d written all these novels, and I’m like, ‘Buddy, I feel bad. I haven’t read any of your books,” Nelson tells Bloody Disgusting. “And I said, ‘What should I start with?‘ I was at his house one weekend, he looked through all the books he wrote, and he’s like, ‘Here, take Don’t Move.‘ He’s like, ‘I think that’s a quick read. I think you’ll like it.‘“
Nelson fell instantly for the novel: “So, I disappeared for four hours. He thought I left, and I just read it. I read it in one sitting. The story really caught me. I thought it was so fun. It really reminded me of one of my favorite movies, Tremors, in that it follows this group of people. Some sci-fi is happening. They don’t know what it is. They have to figure it out together. They have to come together as a community. I said, ‘Man, James, this is a movie. We got to make this.‘ He’s like, ‘Well, I do TV. What do we do?‘ And I said, ‘Let me take a stab at the script. If you like it, let’s move.‘ I sat down, really ingested the book, and a month later, we had a screenplay.“
Not only did Nelson adapt Murray and Wearmouth’s novel, but he also directed the feature, which Murray is the first to praise for surpassing his material.
“I hate to say it, but the movie’s better than the book, which never happens. It never happens.“
Murray credits Nelson’s direction especially. “Largely because of Maclain Nelson’s skills with actors and with heart and emotion; he added a whole layer to the movie that’s not in the book, which is that it’s got real heart. You care for these characters; you actually want these people to survive, and they often don’t, and it really is heartbreaking. So it’s got a lot of heart, a lot of depth, and it’s really funny. The book is not funny. The book is a slaughterhouse because Darren and I love killing people. But the movie has a lot more heart and comedy than the book did. So, I hate to say it. I love to say it, but the movie’s better than the book. And I can say it, I’m the author.“
Nelson emphasizes that while Don’t Move does have heart and humor, it’s horror through and through. “We obviously have a shift in the movie where it really gets real, but it’s supposed to be these people in this community coming together to be in the woods. So there should be some light moments. We’re not cracking jokes near the end when things are getting really serious, but to set everything up and to get to know people, you want to be there with them, and it just endears you to them as one by one,” Nelson explains.
Murray agrees. “I love horror even more than comedy,” he tells BD. “It’s so weird that I have been doing Private Jupiter for so, so long. But for me, what makes a horror movie great is when smart people make good decisions facing impossible odds, and sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn’t. When characters on screen are making the dumbest decisions possible, I check out as a viewer. I’m like, come on, man, no one is this stupid. So one of the hallmarks of all of my books, and then Don’t Move as well, is that these people are smart people and they’re making good choices and they still lose, but sometimes they win. That’s a good, compelling movie today.“
Smart Characters, Impossible Odds

The full cast of Don’t Move
Don’t Move, Murray and Nelson tease, comes out of the gate swinging. Murray praises Nelson’s changes to the book’s cold open, “It’s pure horror. Our lead character, Megan Forrester, who’s played by Lyndsy Fonseca, who is amazing and so charismatic and so warm and likable, goes through an unspeakable tragedy that unfolds rapid fire. It is fast-paced. It’s one of the rides at an amusement park, the swing ride just goes out of control and groans and creeks as people start spinning around in the chairs, they can’t get out.“
Fonseca leads an ensemble cast alongside Russell “Russ” Vitale. Tom Cavanagh (The Flash), Hunter King (Life in Pieces), Rob Riggle (The Hangover), and Joseph Lee Anderson (Young Rock) also star. Expect plenty of cameos including T-Pain, Matt Biedel, and “Impractical Jokers” member Brian Quinn.
The film marks the first lead role for Russ, who immediately won over Murray and Nelson. “The first time I Zoomed with him and just his voice, the quality of his voice, the swagger, his look, I was like, ‘This is Ricky Vargas,‘ Nelsom says. “Ricky in the book, he’s joining the church camping trip. Imagine the type of people. I grew up very religious. I went on a ton of church camping trips, and never once did a guy like Ricky Vargas come on the church camping trip. So, it needed to be this perfect human, the perfect character that you don’t expect and shows up, but has this likability and ability to ingratiate himself with the very different crowd, but then also you don’t know what he’s doing. He’s got some shady motives. And man, we have a new movie star out there because he took it all on.“
Competing for star status on Don’t Move, of course, is the behemoth monster hunting human prey.
How Real Spiders Inspired the Don’t Move’s Prehistoric Arachnid

Don’t expect to see the prehistoric monster in its full glory ahead of release, but Nelson’s approach to designing the arachnid might induce arachnophobia all the same. The director studied spiders up close for months, picking different features from a variety of species for maximum skin-crawling terror.
“For six months, this was my research for the spider, because we created our own way on how it moves and whatnot. I would be in my backyard, I would lie down on this cot, and I would just look straight down at the grass. I was shocked at how many spiders would just come across anytime you are outside. I’d watch the spiders, how they move, some that would do a little thing and then hop and do a little thing and then hop. I saw this one that had these crazy crab arms, the front four were way longer, and the back ones were shorter.
“I just started documenting and making characteristics of all these different spiders that I liked and that were creepy. We built with our CGI artists all the creepiest little intricacies of all these different spiders and created our own kind of super spider.”
“It’s like an alien,” Murray says of this movie’s monster. “It really is. It moves like an alien. It doesn’t think as we do. There’s no reasoning with it. And that’s what I love about Don’t Move, the book and the movie. The horror mimics my favorite horror movie all the time, The Descent, which I think is brilliant. It mimics that kind of horror in the same kind of ways. It works on three levels: It’s human versus the other, which is this creature that cannot be reasoned with, can’t be logicked with it whatsoever. You can’t talk your way around it, right? It’s completely alien.“
He continues, “Then it’s human versus each other because of the inner dynamics of the group. It’s a group setting. They have different motives. They have different pasts that conflict, and it’s the constant conflict between those personalities and then the human versus, in this case, herself. It’s Megan Forrester versus her own trauma that she went through at the beginning of the movie. She’s got to overcome her own past in order to succeed and win and survive at the end.“
That neither Nelson nor Murray is known for horror makes this feature all the more rewarding for the pair, who forged their own path in getting Don’t Move made after a lot of rejections. “Maclain Nelson, Jordan to my Peele,” Murray jokes, acknowledging that studios still haven’t seemed to fully recognize how well horror and comedy go hand-in-hand, particularly in the comedian-to-horror-filmmaker pipeline.
“Not a lot of people believed in this. It’s why we had to do it ourselves. It’s why we didn’t get a studio to back it. We had to go prove it ourselves. We didn’t get invited to the party. We had to create our own,” Nelson says.
Murray agrees, “That’s what indie horror movie making is all about: doing it. I’m really proud of that. That’s what I’m most excited about, that moment before the first time it premiered since September in that first theater, sitting there next to my buddy, my friend for life, and saying, ‘God dammit, man. We made it. We made a horror movie, and it’s good, and I think people will like it.’ And that should be celebrated, man. It’s so hard to do.“
Tickets are on sale now for the Kansas City premiere at the Midland Theater on September 8 and the Los Angeles premiere at the TCL Chinese Theater on September 9, ahead of Don’t Move‘s theatrical release on September 11.

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