Interviews
‘The Monkey’ Director & Star Talk Dual Roles, Gory Kills & Surprising Tom Hanks Inspirations [Interview]
Despite creating some moody, atmospheric, and scary horror movies like The Blackcoat’s Daughter or even last year’s Longlegs, writer/director Osgood Perkins doesn’t enjoy making people feel bad. The filmmaker also really loves to laugh. Enter his latest, The Monkey, an adaptation of Stephen King’s short story that goes for broke in terms of outrageous gallows humor dialed up to gory excess.
The Monkey let Perkins go full throttle on the humor, delivering a crowd-pleaser that prefers raucous entertainment over brooding chills. So much so that it feels like a natural progression of Longlegs, which also featured similar themes of family and traces of the same absurdist humor.
While the overlap in themes speaks more to the filmmaker’s sensibilities rather than a narrative or worldbuilding connection between films, Perkins’ reflection of this highlights a surprising fact: he finds Longlegs to also be a comedy like The Monkey.
“They’re in conversation with each other because they’re both made by me, and I’m sort of figuring out the same shit on all the movies,” Perkins tells Bloody Disgusting. “If all this stuff is just an expression of me, then it’s just an expression of me, and the various things that circle my psyche, and that trouble me, or that I’m trying to loosen up, or untie the knot off. I think it’s like you see painters who paint the same, essentially, picture a thousand times.”
Perkins continues, “I might be a little bit in that school, I think, where I’m working out the same garbage all the time, just in slightly different forms. But I thought Longlegs was funny as shit. I laugh more than anybody. I’m a notorious laugher at the monitor, and I’m overheard laughing a lot. Maika Monroe had a hard time with me on Longlegs because I laughed through most of her scenes, to be honest with you. I just found that character to be so adorable and hilarious.“
In Perkins’ gory comedy The Monkey, Theo James pulls double duty as twins Hal and Bill Shelburne, estranged brothers whose family seems doomed by the mysterious toy monkey that seemingly claims lives with ruthless randomness. Hal and Bill couldn’t be further apart in every way, from personality to style, providing James with two distinctly different characters to explore. More impressively, the dual roles let James showcase different types of humor, between Hal’s browbeaten milquetoast type and Bill’s abrasive yet oafish behavior.

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That humor extends beyond the screen. It was comedy that resonated with James when taking on the dual roles. James says, “Oz and I found quite quickly that we have a similar sense of humor.”
“Thank God,” Perkins interjects.
James affirms, “Thank God. That just means day-to-day shooting the shit and making shit jokes. But in terms of playing the characters, we wanted the same thing out of the humor, if you know what I mean. That was lucky. But in terms of the moment that made me realize or connect to them, because honestly, Oz, our first chat was him relating his own, a bit of his own personal story to the existential elements of The Monkey, i.e., what the monkey represents. Again, it’s a comedy; it’s entertainment, but The Monkey is more than just the toy. It’s the legacy of the monkey on your back and how a piece of trauma follows you through your life.
“Oz described it as points in your life: do you feel like you can’t shake this thing, whether it’s a literal curse or just something that has followed you through your life, and can you ever get rid of that shadow, or is it always going to be there. That made me understand the whole story and both characters in a much more complex way and helped me unwrap them.”
“The touchstone that I put to Theo was, ‘Remember when Tom Hanks was just the goofy everyman before he became the savior of the world and everybody’s hero?'” says Perkins. “He was just the goofy guy in Money Pit, for instance, a beleaguered Joe. When we laid into like, ‘Oh, yeah, we have shared affection for beleaguered Joe Tom Hanks,’ then that became code.”

“Yeah, that was definitely a touch point. It was Tom Hanks in Money Pit, and I watched that film. Also, the style of comedy with Hal was the idea that he’s experienced it a lot. You always talked about how he’s not shocked all the time,” James says to Perkins. “He’s like, ‘Oh, for fuck’s sake, this is happening again.’ But then back to your point about the solidity of him, we also were keen to make him relatively real as possible, because if you make him too nonchalant, or too silly, or too knowing, as you said, with the wink in the eye, then the movie loses a bit of its heart, and it loses some of the stakes. So there had to be a real emotionality to him to an extent, right?”
Perkins recounts a small moment of humor and pathos that stands out in James’ performance. “One of my favorite bits in the movie is when he’s in the hotel room with his son, and his son is filling out his family tree thing, and says, ‘What’s your mom’s name?’ I said to Theo on that day, to Hal, the character, I said, ‘Think of it as you’ve never said your mom’s name since she died. You’ve never said it out loud since she died. You don’t dare to say your mom’s name. And he’s just asked you what your mom’s name is.’ I must say, beautifully done, beautifully done. When you rewatch the movie, you’ll see he is barely able to get out the word Lois. It’s very beautifully done. Those little moments of real human agony, as quiet and underplayed as they are, really make the rest of this stuff work. Good job.”

As for the titular killer toy, there’s no question that the design is effective. The Monkey may be a gory comedy-horror movie, but that little wind-up drummer is creepy. Perkins reveals that it didn’t take very long at all to arrive at its design: “Because it’s written in the script, and I wanted to join the expected look because I feel like people look at toy monkeys and they’re like, ‘Oh, there’s something creepy about that. I don’t know exactly what it is, but there’s something uncanny and weird about a toy monkey. There’s something unsettling about that.’
“So, I wanted to lean into that and not deviate from what was expected. But at the same time, because it’s a supernatural presence, I wanted to give it this question of like, ‘Is it real? Is there a real thing to it?’ So, its teeth are smokers’ yellow. They’re real teeth-looking things. Its feet and the way it grips the drum underneath look like they’re real. I wanted it to have this somewhat anthropomorphic vibe, like, ‘Does it move by itself when it’s not being watched?’ But once we locked into that, the concept guy got it pretty fast.”
Amazing cast and creepy toy monkey aside, the element of The Monkey that will have audiences buzzing the most are the inventive and endless kills. So many that even the packed trailer can’t highlight them all. “A lot of them were there from the very first inception, but some of them changed. But yeah, you’re just dipping into Oz’s fucked mind,” James teases of the kill count.
Perkins cracks, “My job is just to make up. I tell it to my kids all the time, ‘Yep, dad’s going to work now. I’m going to make a bunch of shit up. I’ll be back later.’ And that’s really what it is. Some people go and drill teeth, I put words next to each other to make shit up. When you’re writing stuff like this, I’m just trying to entertain somebody. Do you know what I mean? That’s the goal of the movie, which is to entertain a theater full of people because we need theaters full of people.“
The Monkey releases in theaters on February 21, 2025.

Interviews
‘Rubberhead’ Director Nick Taylor on FX Maverick Steve Johnson, Practical Effects, and Seven-Year Journey
Horror journalist, producer, and podcast host Nick Taylor moves into the director’s seat for his feature debut with illuminating documentary Rubberhead: The Life & Monsters of Steve Johnson.
It chronicles the wild life and career of SFX maverick Steve Johnson, based on the multi-volume book series Rubberhead: Sex, Drugs and Special FX, and those familiar likely already know Rubberhead isn’t your standard horror documentary.
Johnson is responsible for so many memorable movie monsters, having worked on Fright Night, Poltergeist II, An American Werewolf in London, A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master and Night of the Demons, to name a few. He’s also extremely candid in ways that feel atypical in this industry, open about his failures as much as his successes.
“It was a natural progression for sure,” Nick Taylor tells Bloody Disgusting of his transition into filmmaking ahead of Rubberhead‘s world premiere next week at the Fantasia Film Festival on July 23. “I think with my podcast, I got adept at interviewing people and pulling creative lessons out of them, which was the point of my podcast. I wanted this movie to be sort of a creativity pill for artists where if they’re starting a project or feel creatively stuck, they could watch this movie and be inspired and get actual practical creative lessons.”
Taylor’s background in PR and marketing also organically led him down this path.
He charts the course from book promo to documentary director: “But also Bloody Disgusting had a lot to do with this movie because in the very beginning when I first met Steve, I was helping him promote his book and I said, ‘Hey, I got a marketing background and a journalism background. Let me help you promote this book. I’ll just pitch stories from your life to the media, and we’ll see what happens.’ And John Squires wrote an article about Steve making Slimer under the influence of tons and tons of cocaine, and that went fairly viral.”

“For a week, it was story time with Steve,” Taylor continues. “He would tell me a story from his life, and every story was about a major movie, a major director, lots of drugs and alcohol and insanity. I would write them up, and I think John published about three or four of them. So huge shout out to John Squires because that was really great. So yeah, there were definitely a lot of outgrowths of my journalism background that definitely contributed to this movie.”
Rubberhead condenses the multi-book series into a cohesive feature film with a breezy runtime, sparking the obvious question as to how Taylor approached condensing Johnson’s life down to an under 2-hour documentary film.
“That was one of the more difficult parts of all of this, because we had enough for a series or an epically long six-hour fan documentary,” he answers. “But from day one, I did not want to make a fan documentary. I love them. They’re a lot of fun, but I did want the movie to stand on its own two feet as a character-driven portrait of an artist and a time period and a technology, that being practical effects. I did want to be objective. I didn’t want to make this too long. I wanted to make it re-watchable. So I think we just really had to focus on what the narratives were that we wanted to tell. So there were some basically almost cliché archetypical mythic narratives present in Steve’s life. We could have made this way longer, but we wanted to keep it short. But luckily that’s why you have special features.”

Johnson quickly proves to be an engaging subject thanks to his self-effacing wit and frank self-reflections; expect no shortage of stories about how drugs factored into the height of his career or the failures it wrought.
That rare quality was an asset for Rubberhead, Taylor confirms. “He does not shy away from anything about the drugs, the addiction, the bridges burned, the mistakes made, the lessons learned. He just is honest about all of it. He’s had a lot of time for reflection, and he’s done a lot of reflection, so he doesn’t shy away from any of it, which is huge because it’s very refreshing. I don’t think a lot of people are that way, at least in this industry from what I can see. So I think it was hugely beneficial. We wanted to lean into that, and we wanted to make this sort of a gonzo Hunter S. Thompson sort of wild tale through Steve’s overall life.“
Condensing his life into this doc was a slow and steady process for Taylor, too. “It’s been almost seven years. It’s been a labor of love. We’ve been as indie as it gets. We would shoot what we could when we could, and then we would edit when we could. Then after a while it all came together.”
In a way, making Rubberhead brings Taylor’s horror fandom full circle. It turns out that the very film that sparked his interest in the genre and practical effects also comes with an amusing Steve Johnson anecdote.
Taylor explains, “My gateway for sure was Beetlejuice. I saw that at a very young age; I think I was four or five. I felt somebody had shown me, my soul. I get a little emotional thinking about it. There was something about that movie that felt so strange and unusual, but also felt so familiar. It was spooky, but it was fun, and it was lighthearted, and it had humor, but it also had this macabre celebration to it that I just really got into as a kid. I felt somebody had shown me my own soul. And funny story, Steve got fired from Beetlejuice because Tim Burton gave him his hand-drawn designs and Steve’s like, ‘Oh my God, these look like kids did them. This is not what you want. I know what you want. I’m going to redesign these for you.’ And Tim Burton was like, ‘Yeah, no, you’re not.’ So yeah, funny story.”

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