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How Joseph Kahn’s ‘Ick’ Sets Itself Apart from the Current Body Horror Trend [Interview]

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Body horror is on a hot streak lately, but leave it to Detention director Joseph Kahn to forge his own path. Ick, the filmmaker’s latest, brings the carnage and comedy in spades with an energetic pop punk ode to retro creature features.

Fathom Entertainment brings Ick to select theatres in New York and Los Angeles for a one-week theatrical run starting Thursday, July 24, and expands to theaters nationwide July 27-29.

Ick stars Brandon Routh as Hank, a former high school football star turned science teacher dealing with life’s disappointments when the plant-based “Ick” that’s long plagued the town suddenly becomes far more aggressive and rampant. It’s the type of fast-spreading alien threat that calls to mind films like The Blob, but with a contemporary spirit and sense of humor, especially when it comes to skewering the generational divide. 

That retro monster movie meets modern comedy presents a ton of pop punk fun and provides an interesting shift in the body horror subgenre’s fascination with aging.

Kahn, speaking with Bloody Disgusting ahead of the film’s release, explains, “There’s a piece of me that just loves the movies from the ’40s, with the clever scripts and the speed of the dialogue and things like that. It’s kind of a lost art form, and it’s just a tone I just love making. The funny thing is, when it comes to horror movies, there’s a lot of body horror these days, and Ick is a body horror, right? But the funny thing is, a lot of body horror is about aging. But in Ick, aging actually has nothing to do with body horror!”

“That’s the comedy. The body horror comes from another place,” Kahn continues. “We treat the aging part of it with a sense of humor and satire.”

Brandon Routh in Ick

Star Brandon Routh, who previously showcased his comedic chops in projects like Scott Pilgrim and “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” gets to really play up the comedy here as Hank. Exploring the humor was a significant part of Ick‘s appeal for the actor, and it also had him reflecting on previous roles.

“It’s very much on the page,” Routh said of Ick‘s comedy. “That’s one of the reasons why I really was attracted to the movie, because humor is always what I’m looking to do more of in every project that I can. Speaking with Joseph, he really champions that. The comedy that was in there was a part of it, and how important it was to the tone of the movie. I played a character somewhat like this in Dylan Dog, but I was too young to understand the edginess. It was fine, but if I were doing Dylan now, it’d be even better.

“But I was able to revisit that a little bit, though they’re very different characters. But the kind of anti-hero, the begrudging, sarcastic guy, grumbling under his breath. I found a grounded place in that for me as I got older and really settled into him. It was fun to live in that space and do humor, adding some little bits here and there.”

Kahn chimes in, “You actually added a really great ad lib. At the end, when they throw the mail at you, and you miss it. He goes, ‘I thought you were a football player,’ and Hank goes, ‘Quarterback.’ That’s an improv from Brandon.”

Ick

If it’s not already clear, Hank is the opposite of Steve McQueen cool when it comes to horror movie heroes. Despite life’s constant setbacks and his hapless personality, Hank is an unflappably nice guy.

“I think music probably is one of the saving graces,” Routh says of Hank’s pure heart. “I mean literally for him. And his connection to the past. The past is good and bad; it’s what we make of it, and how we view that story, which leads us into the future. Hank’s just been living in the past, and the possibility of Grace (Malina Weissman) being a family, of having some kind of link outside of himself, rekindles his heart, and the hope that he thought of the greatness of when he was in high school was not just about him. It’s about connecting to people, and he re-engages with that. It allows him to have that heroic bit of him still reignited, but in a wiser, more mature way.”

While the stacked soundtrack is sure to have Millennials bopping along, there was really only one key track that was vital to Kahn’s film. It also highlights his unique approach to the film.

Kahn explains, “The only must-have was Creed, because there’s literally a plot point that revolves around this. It wasn’t just an experiment of throwing in pop punk tracks. It’s a story about aging. It’s a story about Millennials getting old because a lot of these songs are 20 years old. You know what 20 years is. That’s a generation.”

The filmmaker continues, “There are two versions of this movie: there’s a version that Millennials watch, and there’s a version that Gen Z watches. I think the younger people will see it as a straight horror film with comedy in it. I think older people will see it as a comedy with some horror elements. One of the horror elements is that you’re aging, you know. It’s that you listen to all this music, and he’s stuck in time. He’s a fish out of water, and one of the things that you do when you get older is you recognize the things that you want out of life may not have worked out exactly as you did when you were younger. That’s just part of growing up. You don’t get to be Tom Brady. You didn’t become a millionaire. You didn’t get everything you wanted. You didn’t marry the hottest girl in school and retain her, and stuff like that.”

Ick monster

“But you know what you do,” the director continues. “You find something new to love, and it could be a child, it could be a person. It could be a gift. With Hank’s world, with falling in with his baby daughter. The entire question of whether it’s his daughter or not doesn’t really matter now. He’s got something to give, something to love, something to get passed down. Millennials accept that.

“This movie is both depressing, but then also uplifting because it makes you feel old… but it also makes you feel good.”

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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