Warner Bros.’ The Conjuring, which is based on a true story, hits theaters on July 19th. In April of 2012 I visited the film’s set in Wilmington, North Carolina, a report you can read in its entirety in approximately 1 minute.
This interview with director James Wan is heavily quoted in that piece, but since he’s such a strong voice in the current world of horror I thought it would be a good idea to print the entire conversation, conducted by myself and several other journalists, for your reading pleasure. Also, the movie’s great ( Brad’s review).
The film “tells the horrifying tale of how world-renowned paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren were called upon to help a family terrorized by a dark presence in a secluded farmhouse. Forced to confront a powerful demonic entity, the Warrens find themselves caught in the most terrifying case of their lives.” The film stars Vera Farmiga, Patrick Wilson, Ron Livingston, Lili Taylor, Joey King, Shanley Caswell, Haley McFarland, Mackenzie Foy, Kyla Deaver and Sterling Jerins.
Could you tell us about the tone of this film? Insidious had a very dark tone, but it had some kookiness to it. Does this have some lightness to it, as well?
No, this is definitely a bit more serious. I wanted to make that a fun, creepy, sort of tongue-in-cheek movie, to some degree. But just the nature of what this film is, and the fact that it’s based on people’s stories, I want to honor that as much as I possibly can and ground it in reality as much as I possibly could. And also, it’s a period film, as well, and I want to stay true to all of that.
The fact that it’s a period film, does that help with the PG-13 rating?
Well, I don’t know what rating I’m going to get at this point! [Note: The film has since received an “R” rating]
One of the producers had mentioned that they were hoping for a PG-13 rating.
I’m wishing for that.
But is it a slightly gentler era that we’re looking at, when compared to recent horror films?
The film that I want to make is a more classical chiller. If you look back at the original Amityville Horror, I think it was kind of in-your-face for the time. But if you look back at it now, it’s definitely a much more moody piece. One of the big inspirations for me on this film is the feel of that period. Still one of my favorite movies is the original The Haunting. I love that style. I love that feel, and I want to take that feeling and apply it to this story.
Can you talk to us about pacing, and maybe trusting your audience to stay with you as you develop your characters in a genre that doesn’t always allow the filmmaker to do that?
I think it really depends within this subgenre, itself. If you are making a traditional slasher film, then the pacing has a different feel from a supernatural movie. Supernatural movies generally have a much more brooding pace. If you look at films like The Sixth Sense or The Others, it’s more building up the characters and building up the situation as opposed to just opening with a big action set piece. That’s definitely not what this film is. This film is more in line with the other two.
So tonally, it’s quite a bit different than Insidious. As for the scope of the movie, has that opened up, as well?
It’s not as quirky as Insidious. Insidious is independent. It’s like the Clerks of horror films, you know? It’s supernatural, but it’s kind of in that vein. It embraces its strangeness, and that’s what we were going for. This definitely isn’t in that world, but I think this lives in a much more realistic world.
Is the scope bigger than anything that you’ve done before?
It’s not as heightened as Dead Silence, which is the only other studio film that I’ve made. That was very much a throwback to the Hammer horror films that I love. But this is definitely big in scope. It’s a studio film, so I definitely have more toys and more money to play with.
The studio has been talking about the Warrens having so many stories, this could be the start of a franchise. Like they are the Nick and Nora Charles of horror movies. How are you building them as characters – different from other horror movies – that the audience would want to follow them from film to film?
One of the first things that Patrick (Wilson) and Vera (Farmiga) wanted to do when we began production was to meet Lorraine Warren. Unfortunately, she’s the only one who is still around, so everything that we learned about Ed was from her point of view. We wanted to try and capture some of their quirky charms. I tell people this is a subjective movie. I’m not really here to … I know they have their believers and fans, and they have their skeptics, as well. I’m making this movie through her point of view. So whether or not you believe in their story or the story of the parents, I’m showing you a movie through their point of view, through what they experienced. People can then decide what to believe.
We were told that you had an unconventional take on the possession makeup. What can you tell us about that?
I don’t know. [Laughs] Without giving too much away …
Is it a less-is-more aesthetic?
Yeah, it definitely is. I’m trying to find that balance. I feel like, with most filmmakers of my generation, I like the over-the-top stuff. I like to be wacky and really in your face. But I also find there’s a lot of merit to holding back, as well, and I really did discover that with Insidious. Insidious and Saw were very different films, tonally. One wasn’t afraid to shove as much in your face as possible, and one held back. But when I did show you stuff, it was kind of off-kilter. I want to try and do this with this one, as well, but kind of put my stamp on it, as well. I think it’s a more mature film that anything I’ve done.
How about the score? What we remember about Insidious was bold score. Is the music going to drive the horror here, too?
The score is going to be very interesting. [Laughs] I love my atonal scores for these films. Saw was actually melodic in some parts. The theme is very memorable now. I want to find balance between the Lalo Schifrin stuff from The Amityville Horror. But I also love the atonal stuff that I embraced for Insidious. That, with my sound designer, I hopefully can find a balance between the two.
Is Joe [Bishara] doing the score on this one, as well?
Yes, he is.
He’s also playing the witch, right?
I didn’t say anything! [Laughs]
Can you talk about your visual style for the film? From what we’ve seen, it appears to ape natural lighting and seems to have a lot to do with texture.
Right. One of the things myself and [production designer] Julie [Berghoff] wanted to do was to bring across the flavor of that period. I think that’s what’s going to give this film another level. At the end of the day, it is a classic haunted house ghost story. I’m not here to reinvent that wheel. As I said with Insidious, I didn’t want to invent the wheel, I just wanted to paint the wheel a different color. With this one, the different color I want to embrace is … I want to make a classical period film. I want to capture that with the production design, the wardrobe and the photography. If nothing else, I know this will be a beautiful-looking film!
That being said, what is the secret to making a successful haunted house movie?
People ask me, “Why do you like haunted house films? They’re so done to death.” And I say, “There’s a reason that they’re done to death. If you can make it work, it’s a very effective subgenre!” We can all relate to it. We all live in houses or apartments, and we can all relate to having siblings or a mom and dad. Right off the bat, you have the shorthand of the characters going into it. Hopefully you create characters who people like, and so when stuff starts to happen, you are right there with them. With this movie, I have a trick. The heroes of the story, the haunting isn’t really haunting them. It’s haunting another family. They’re the ones who come in an investigate, determining that there is something here in this place, on this farmland, in this house. How do I make that scary for the heroes of the film, as well? That, I think, was my biggest challenge for this film. Having Vera and Patrick to work with and play with is very important because they’re such great actors, and you believe them.
Some of the crew members have said they’ve encountered some strange happenings on set and around North Carolina during filming. Have you had any weird experiences?
[Laughs] I don’t want to make up fake stuff, but it has been really weird some of the stuff that I have been hearing. Even Vera has said that from the moment she came on to do this movie, she’d always wake up between the period from 3 to 4 in the morning. She says she has been waking up every night in that period. At first, I was like, “Well, you just came from L.A., and with the time difference …” You know? Even now, though, she still says that she has a hard time sleeping between those hours. And I’m like, “No way.” Because in the movie, there’s a very specific period where the witch character died in that timeframe. And so I’m like, “No, that can’t be.” Vera seems to have made this connection, though, and I do think that’s kind of cool. [Laughs]
[Laughs] Um, yeah. For these films to be effective, you want to pick and choose your moments. You want to have those moments where [the audience] goes, “Did I just see that? Did that just happen?” Which is the kind of filmmaking that I love. The kind of films that I love have a character walking down a hallway and you’re like, “Did I just see someone behind the drapes?” I love that. I love the idea of playing with the audience, and being able to build on that [tension]. Sure enough, you think you see something later on, or you don’t see something and then … it’s just trying to find that balance. Today’s horror-movie audiences are so savvy. You always have to try and stay one step ahead, to try and make it fun for them.
I don’t like predictable horror films. But it’s a lot easier said than done. If it were so easy to do, then every horror film that got made and released would be freaking awesome and scary all of the time. That’s not always the case. So yeah, we’ll see.
Is Leigh Whannell involved in this at all?
This is the first project I’ve done that hasn’t involved Leigh at all.
Is he crushed?
Well, he’s busy right now! He’s busy writing. But he’s not even cameoing in it for me. I’m flying solo on this one.
How is that?
I love having Leigh around. It’s just cool because we’re such good friends and we pretty much think the same. Sometimes if I like something, I’ll ask him what he thinks and he’ll give me his opinion. If I’m not sure about something, I’d go to him and he’d validate it for me, as well. I don’t have that, but I think it’s kind of cool at the same time to do it on my own. Up until now, I’ve always had Billy from Saw make a guest appearance. This also will be my first film where I don’t do that. I’m growing up and moving on. [laughs]
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