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The 5 Most Insane ‘Freddy vs. Jason’ Ideas That Never Came To Be

Exactly ten years prior to Freddy vs. Jason making its way into theaters, Freddy Krueger made a surprise appearance at the tail of end of Jason Goes to Hell, pulling Jason’s iconic hockey mask (literally) down into the bowels of Hell. Why did we have to wait so long to see the actual battle? Well, as it’s been well documented over the years, it wasn’t because New Line wasn’t trying.

The studio went through countless writers before Damian Shannon and Mark Swift cracked the code and came up with something they were happy with; some writers brought their own ideas to the table, while others were hired to rework scripts penned by previous scribes. Shannon and Swift managed to bring Freddy and Jason together in a way that both made sense and was a whole hell of a lot of fun, but before New Line settled on the to-the-point simplicity of their idea, they toyed with many ideas that were almost too bonkers to even believe.

Here are five of the most batshit ideas that were pitched.

1) FREDDY MOLESTED JASON AS A CHILD

Lewis Abernathy was the first writer hired to merge the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street franchises, and he got to work in the immediate wake of Jason Goes to Hell. Abernathy’s script, titled Nightmare 13: Freddy Meets Jason, introduced the idea of Jason’s origin story being woven directly into Freddy’s mythology. He proposed that Fred Krueger was the Camp Crystal Lake counselor who drowned a young Jason Voorhees, and that Jason was on a mission to seek revenge. Ethan Reiff and Cyrus Voris later expanded upon this idea, going one step further. In their draft, Freddy actually molested Jason as a child, and then ended up drowning the young boy so that nobody would ever know. A little too dark for a fun mash-up film, don’t you think?

In Abernathy’s script, Freddy and Jason were going to battle in a “Nightmare Arena” in Hell, inside a boxing ring with ropes made of entrails. Sitting front row? Adolf Hitler.

2) TIME TRAVEL PREVENTS BOTH FREDDY AND JASON FROM EVER EXISTING 

Peter Briggs, who ended up co-writing 2004’s Hellboy, submitted his own Freddy vs. Jason pitch in the early ’90s. His crazy concept also toyed with the idea of Freddy and Jason having a shared past; in Briggs’ script, the Voorhees family used to live on Elm Street, and the Voorhees parents were part of the lynch mob that killed Freddy. This resulted in Freddy killing Jason after the Voorhees family moved to Crystal Lake; he then subsequently brought Jason back to life as an undead monster. Yes, Jason’s new origin story was to be that Freddy created him.

And that’s not even the craziest idea in Briggs’ script, which began in the 17th century and eventually pit Freddy and Jason up against one another… in Hell. Who was going to show up down there? Satan himself (named Thanos in the script), who was going to be revealed to be the master of both Freddy and Jason; they’ve just been his pawns this whole time, Briggs conceived.

The crazy ambitious film would’ve ended with Freddy and Jason killing Satan and then being banished from ever existing, due to a time travel plot device. An FBI agent goes back in time, forges a judge’s signature, and prevents Freddy from being released from prison. In other words, Freddy never became a Dream Demon, and as a result, Jason was never killed as a boy.

Can’t make this stuff up.

3) FREDDY AND JASON BECOME ONE

How strange would it have been to see Jason Voorhees plucked out of Crystal Lake and placed into a courtroom? That’s exactly what co-writers Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore did with their Freddy vs. Jason script, which saw Jason on trial for the various murders he committed over the years. The script was written at the time the O.J. Simpson trial was the hottest thing in America, and it drew much inspiration from the widely-publicized, real-life trial. After being shot in court, Jason is taken into the hospital and put under, resulting in him having a nightmare that brings Freddy into the real world through his body. The final battle between the two horror icons was to take place inside a shopping mall, which is where things were going to get REALLY insane.

Battling inside the burning mall, Freddy knocks Jason out with nitrous oxide and attempts to use his body as a vessel to re-enter the dream world. But that plan goes south when Jason wakes up halfway through the process, binding Freddy and Jason together as a two-headed monster. The burning roof ultimately collapses, presumably killing off both Freddy and Jason.

The Braga & Moore script also had a meta twist to it: the Friday the 13th movies we’ve all seen were merely movies, while we were going to meet the real Jason for the first time.

4) THE CULT OF FREDDY

One of the most popular ideas throughout Freddy vs. Jason‘s early development process was the so-called Cult of Freddy: a group of hardcore Freddy fans who wear Christmas sweaters, burn themselves, and attempt to bring Freddy Krueger into the real world by sacrificing a young virgin. The concept first popped up in Lewis Abernathy’s aforementioned script, and David J. Schow expanded upon it when he worked on a rewrite of that original script. Schow dubbed the Freddy fanatics the “Fred Heads,” led by an evil character named Dominick Cochran.

How did Jason figure into the script? A dead teenager’s heart is thrown into Crystal Lake, bringing Jason Voorhees back to life and leading to the promised battle between he and Freddy.

Freddy Vs. Jason

5) TWO DIFFERENT ENDINGS

When Mark Verheiden came on board in the late ’90s, he quickly did away with the Cult of Freddy idea, instead choosing to focus on what fans really wanted from the mash-up film: the fight itself. And he had a pretty cool idea for how to execute it. Verheiden proposed that Freddy vs. Jason have two different endings, one with Freddy winning and the other with Jason winning; which one any given viewer saw would’ve depended on which theater they saw the film at. He wrote two vastly different ending sequences, but alas, Verheiden eventually departed the project.

And then there’s Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash, which still breaks our heart. Sigh.



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COMMENTS

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  • RedNeoCon

    I like the first one.

    Freddy v Jason in Hell’s boxing ring with entrails for ring ropes and Adolf Hitler sitting front row. That’s tough to beat!

  • Matt

    I think it would be interesting to visit alternate universes where all these films were actually made. Personally, I would find it very interesting to see how some of these ideas would play out on the big screen. (I would really love to read what Peter Jackson came up with. That would be cool to read.)

    • Kram Maniak

      It’s on the FvJ dvd chronicling the making and it talks about the numerous scripts,but you have to read it.

      • Matt

        I bought that DVD when it came out, and now I have the Blu Ray, but I never checked out the special features. Thanks for the info.

        • Kram Maniak

          the dvd is filled with features,including easter eggs. I love the dvd,the bluray doesnt have nearly as much as the dvd.

  • lion7718

    Actually, #4 THE CULT OF FREDDY…would be a good Nightmare movie own it’s own.

    • Thats true, i wouldnt mind seeing a modern spinoff of that. Its sick and deranged and would make a real creepy story.

  • Daniel Anderson

    “A little too dark for a fun mash-up film, don’t you think?”

    Yes, for serial murdering undead killers of the young its way too dark.

    • Kram Maniak

      Not to mention one is a child murderer lol

  • Rod Chavez

    # 2 Thanos? So that would be the first Marvel Universe film haha

  • Josh Blitzenbrox Myers

    I’d still kill to see Freddy Vs Jason Vs Ash

  • nowaygetreal

    An actual boxing ring sounds pretty dumb, but maybe some sort of pit-fight with surrounding demons and nightmares could have been cool.

    • Bla Blah

      I think adding in the demons as spectators would have made it feel cheesy.

  • pablitonizer

    I wonder if they chose the actual FVJ movie script since they didn’t want to mess up their origins?

  • Dylan Gutierrez

    And the Pinhead appearance was also considered at some point as well.

  • I could never finish the Briggs script. The first act was all over the place and super hokey. The Brannon/Braga draft was a load of fun with its courtroom drama/epic mall finale. The only other script I’ve read was from the King of the Hill writers and it was pretty atrocious. It carried over the cult of Freddy aspect but made absolutely no sense and went nowhere.

  • Andrew Thompson

    Lewis Abernathy’s script is one of the worst I’ve ever read.

    • Dylan Woodson

      Don’t act like you didn’t want to see Freddy Bueger (that was forced, I’m sorry).

  • Nahuel Benvenuto

    the first one is actually the best, the others are terrible, and is not obligatory for everything to be “fun”, what we got was ok

  • Creepshow

    Freddy vs Jason had one of the best lines/scenes.

    “Well hey Jethro. This is a rave, not a Halloween party. Why don’t you go find yourself a pig to fuck.”

    Great scene.

    • Blade4693

      Lol still makes me laugh to this day

    • Man, that goalie was pissed about something.

  • Flu-Like Symptoms

    The script that finally got made taking ten years to conceive is the real story here. And once again, no thanks to F vs J vs Ash. Once again, this writer thinks he speaks for everyone.

    • Tiger Quinn

      So go write your own article then.

      • Flu-Like Symptoms

        Right-O.

  • lonestarr357

    Would love to read #2. Also, does anyone know which script had the “Gentlemen, what seems to be the problem?” ending or was that apocryphal?

    • Tetra-Gramaton-Cleric

      No, that ending was definitely pitched but it never got far because of the logistics of getting the rights to Pinhead. (New Line Cinema owned Freddy and Jason but dimension owned Pinhead)

      • Dylan Gutierrez

        Wasn’t it because they felt Pinhead wasn’t worth the effort as not being as huge as Freddy/Jason at that point? The Hellraiser franchise had already falling into direct to video so they probably felt it was too low brow.

  • David Partenio

    Kirk Ker zinger explained his pitch for Freddy v Jason v Stan where an obsessed teen goes looking for them like people look for big foot today or other urban legends.
    When he finally uncovers the truth, it’s too late cause freddy is in control.

    • AdamX

      Stan wins, you don’t mess with Stanley Miller

  • Evan3

    Well, most of this makes me thankful for the movie we got (although I like the “Fred heads” concept). But boy oh boy would I have loved an Ash crossover. Anyone else surprised that with the shared universe concept so in style that we haven’t seen a shared slasher universe yet (and it remains to be seen if Universal can get it’s monster universe off the ground).

    • Rob Zombie must have read that very script treatment(with the Fred Heads and their dabbling in satanism),since it inspired the name for “The Heads” in 31(as well as the suggested satanists angle in Father Murder’s lair[with Father and the Sisters standing near a neon pentagram] that was left barely explained).

      • Evan3

        Ugh, you made me barf in my mouth a little to think that me and Rob Zombie could like the same thing 😉

  • Darth_Siskel

    I liked the Lewis Abernathy take on Freddy vs Jason.
    That’s what I would’ve done.
    That’s the problem with these franchises. People have forgotten THEYRE HORROR MOVIES.
    Why would you not want to scare & disturb people??

    • Andrew Thompson

      But Abernathy’s script wasn’t scary and disturbing–it was just stupid. It had shit like Freddy Krueger picking his nose(where a talking booger resides), Freddy getting shot into the sun, dumb dialogue, and the clincher is that Abernathy thought that ultimately, it should be PG-13-rated.

      • Darth_Siskel

        I HAVENT READ THE SCRIPT! I’m talking about the central premise

  • Jonathan Larsson

    I would have preferred having Pinhead show up at the end… It could’ve been the Nick Fury-scene of horror movies.

    • huntermc

      LOL at the thought of Pinhead forming the slasher Avengers, with Freddy, Jason, Leatherface, Michael, Chucky….

  • marklola12 .

    tbh my favv freddy vs Jason script was the one where alice from nightmare 4 and 5 was back and her son Jacob, lets face it she was the only lead who did not die or be killed by freddy lol shes alive still and she was way way better than nancy

  • AdamX

    The Pinhead would’ve been awesome to see.

    • Dylan Woodson

      Eh… I thought it was a little silly. And there’s no way the Weinsteins were gonna just hand over one of their flagship horror villains to their main competitors of the time.

  • Halloween_Vic

    Let’s get a Michael V.S Jason with an appearance of Freddy at the end.

  • Vincent Kane

    Even though I don’t care for the overall movie idea, I do like the Cult concept. I think that would make a great idea for a Freddy movie. Freddy would eat that up.

  • Barry Goldsbury

    I can see why these were rejected. Awful. Just awful.

  • #2 and #3 sound very ambitious and interesting, though the reality probably wouldn’t have lived up to the ideas. I still can’t believe they didn’t do #5. At the time, I figured that was a given.

  • Kaijudude

    F v J v A eventually came about in comic book form , Which was good cause as a movie , i don’t think it would have worked very well. But yeah , a lot of these sound like they wouldn’t be great.

    • Dylan Woodson

      I don’t think it worked very well in film treatment or comic form, myself.

  • Freida Peeple

    Ash and Hellboy Vs. The Evil Dead. Nazis get ahold of the necronomicon to summon an army of demons so the BPRD recruits Ash to help defeat them.

  • John Connor

    I remember reading about all of these in that 10 year wait.

  • Wolf Kane

    #2 sounded okay.

  • DarkSlayerSigma

    “FREDDY MOLESTED JASON AS A CHILD”
    “TIME TRAVEL PREVENTS BOTH FREDDY AND JASON FROM EVER EXISTING”
    http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/729/large.jpg

  • DarkSlayerSigma

    “FREDDY MOLESTED JASON AS A CHILD”
    “TIME TRAVEL PREVENTS BOTH FREDDY AND JASON FROM EVER EXISTING”
    http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/729/large.jpg

    • Hack Snyder

      Thank fuck they didn’t use either of those ideas.

  • Jack Derwent

    “An FBI agent goes back in time, forges a judge’s signature, and prevents Freddy from being released from prison.” This actually happened in the Nightmare Warriors comic.

  • The #1 and #3 are good!

  • DarkBree

    These ideas sound terrible, thank God they didn’t happen.

  • Meisha’s Taint

    Well those are all equally nuts

  • shane-o-mac

    Batshit crazy or creative as hell?

  • Dylan Woodson

    I thought the Jason on trial script was alright, a pretty decent spiritual successor to New Nightmare.

  • Hymewyce

    The two different endings sound like a great idea……

  • Bloated Butcher

    if they don’t film 2 different endings for Godzilla vs Kong, then they are insane. It is a brilliant idea that will make everyone happy, get everyone talking and bring in twice as much money as people will see both versions of the film

  • Saturn

    I kinda like the whole Freddy molested Jason as a child angle (well, as much as you can like a storyline like that), but with the addendum of, once Pamela had killed the other councilors, she was in the mob that led to the death of Freddy as it was her testimony that convinced the other parents about what Freddy was up to.
    Hell, they could still do another one with that in it.

  • ajax

    I love that cult freddy movie idea, id prefer that for a stand alone sequel, kinda similair to new nightmare, man that would be so cool

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