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‘Dear David’ – Director John McPhail on Parallels Between Haunting and Online Trolling [Interview]

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Lionsgate and BuzzFeed are bringing the creepy viral story Dear David to the big screen this Friday the 13th, with Anna and the Apocalypse director John McPhail at the helm.

Dear David adapts the viral 2017 Twitter thread in which then Buzzfeed cartoonist Adam Ellis chronicled the child haunting his apartment. Mike Van Waes wrote the screenplay, and Augustus Prew stars as the fictionalized version of Ellis.

Director John McPhail spoke with Bloody Disgusting ahead of the film’s release in theaters, On Demand, and Digital on October 13, 2023, where he discussed his horror influences, online trolling, and emphasis on character arcs.

For McPhail, good stories always begin and end with great characters.

“Essentially, I make films for people,” he tells Bloody Disgusting. “I make them for an audience. For me, what I’ve always loved is just following the character’s journey. It doesn’t matter what adventure you take me on or what genre; if I’m behind you and rooting for you and projecting on you, then I’m all in. It’s that experience I want people to have. And having fun characters that take you through something that could be traumatic or ridiculous or silly, that it doesn’t matter how ridiculous or silly it is or how out there it can feel; because you’re behind them, you’re off on that adventure regardless.”

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Augustus Prew as Adam Ellis in Dear David. Photo Credit: Stephanie Montani

In the case of Dear David, the central protagonist is based on a real person. But just how close to reality is McPhail’s vision, mainly where Augustus Prew’s iteration of Adam Ellis is concerned? 

McPhail explains, “Well, I wanted it to feel a little bit larger than life in the film, be a little bit more funny. In my head, it was a little bit of my gay Bruce Campbell, like for my Evil Dead. I wanted to have a little bit of fun with the character because, as I say, he is quite in your face. I wanted to see that. And I wanted you to go through mixed emotions of laughing with him and getting a bit scared with him and then feeling sorry for him.”

This fictional version of Adam Ellis might lean into humor and horror, but it comes with a robust emotional arc inspired by reality. Here, the child ghost’s haunting takes a mental toll on Adam Ellis.

“One of the things me and Augustus talked about a lot was that Adam Ellis is from Montana, and that must’ve been so tough growing up gay in Montana and hearing things on the playground, the 90s being like, ‘This is gay, that’s gay.’ And being a kid and wanting to escape it,” McPhail tells Bloody Disgusting. “Then, when this guy’s having maybe a bit of a breakdown, this twisted child is appearing to him. That kind of thing, it felt right for it to happen that way.”

Because of its origins, there’s a tech horror vibe to Dear David, as its ghost doesn’t just invade Adam Ellis’s home but his online space as well. Considering that technology moves at a rapid pace and Twitter is no longer called Twitter, McPhail reflected on the technological component of his latest feature.

“This is dated automatically to 2017 and trying to encapsulate 2017, that Buzzfeed Twitter walls kind of thing. Personally, I could see the parallels between a haunting and a trolling in the sense that it’s supposed to be your sanctuary, and both of these are outside forces invading that. You can’t get away from the phone buzzing in your pocket or the pings on your screen. I’ve been guilty of this where I’ve read something or a comment or a post or something online, and it just burrows into the back of your head, and it just stays there, and it’s about an hour later it’s terrorizing you. Do you know what I mean? It’s haunting you. I thought this would work with the technology. Yeah. As I said, I knew it was always going to be dated because there is a date stamp on it, but kind of try and encapsulate that.”

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Augustus Prew as Adam Ellis and Cameron Nicoll as Dear David in Dear David. Photo Credit: Stephanie Montani

When asked if McPhail had any horror influences that he drew from visually, the filmmaker cited inspired choices. 

I talked about The Ring a lot; I talked about Event Horizon—things like that for the blackness and that otherworldly, dreamy world. David Lynch was another. There’s a sequence I love in Mulholland Drive, one of the most terrifying sequences, which is one guy walking around the back of the dumpster. When [Adam’s] walking down that aisle, I wanted it to feel like it was staying forever, again, because Lynch is doing that. As well as in dreams, how it does feel like waiting forever when you’re trying to get to something?”

Catch Dear David in theaters and at home on Friday, October 13.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Co-Host of the Bloody Disgusting Podcast. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon and SeriesFest.

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‘In a Violent Nature’ Director Reveals How His Unique Slasher Was Reshot Almost Entirely [Interview]

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Writer/Director Chris Nash’s feature debut, In a Violent Nature, is set to unleash an arthouse twist on the slasher in theaters this Friday, but the journey getting there has been long and arduous. So much so that Nash reshot a large percentage of the film just to get it, and the gory practical effects, just right.

That included a recast of the film’s undead slasher villain, Johnny (Ry Barrett), who is unwittingly summoned when a locket is removed from a collapsed fire tower in the woods that entombs his rotting corpse. That spells terrible news for the campers vacationing in his territory.

Bloody Disgusting spoke with filmmaker Chris Nash and star Ry Barrett ahead of the film’s theatrical release about Johnny’s nature and the tough hurdles in making this unique indie horror film. The inspiration behind In a Violent Nature, Nash reveals, didn’t actually originate from iconic slashers, and that informed his overall approach to the arthouse horror movie.

Nash tells us, “I took a lot of inspiration from Gus Van Sant’s 2000s work of Gerry, Elephant, and Last Days. I love those movies, and I really wanted to see what I could do to bring that into a genre film. The slasher just seemed like the best way to do that; especially, the ‘slasher in the woods’ type of thing. We can really just hang out in that environment. But the main thing for nailing the tone was really, I think, just stepping back and letting the scenes just exist as they were and not even aiming for a tone.

“It was a weird thing talking it over with Pierce Derks, my cinematographer,” Nash continues. “We didn’t have the biggest budget to do something crazy and wild with lighting and stuff, and I was like, ‘Well, let’s just go super naturalistic.’ He said, “Yeah, no look is also a look.” So, this is very much a ‘no tone is a tone’ type of movie. We tried to treat it almost like making a nature documentary where we’re just following something, or following a letter carrier at work, just going from house to house. It’s not the most thrilling work in the world, but it’s honest work. That’s how we approached it, being as objective as we could.”

What is a nature documentary without a subject? In a Violent Nature finds it in the undead Johnny, quietly stalking through the woods for large swaths of the runtime. What was Nash looking for when searching for the right actor to play the killer, you might be wondering?

“I’m still trying to answer that question myself,” Nash responds. “I definitely feel like we found it, and we lucked out with Ry. Ry actually stepped in to replace the actor that we originally had cast as Johnny. This was one of the problems that we faced during our first attempt at shooting, as the actor that we had portraying Johnny had to step away for medical reasons. So we had replacements come in. At the time, we were thinking, ‘This isn’t going to be too much of a problem because he’s in a costume the whole time.’ But when you’re following this mute character, as an audience, you’re picking up on everything. When you don’t have those visual cues, you’re just seeing all the physicality and the tiny, tiny differences between posture, between where people actually hold their weight when they’re walking, and just the size of the gate itself.

Nash continues, “It was pretty shocking and pretty jarring when we had that assembly together of like, ‘Oh yeah, that’s that actor. That’s that actor.’ We could see that it was completely different. So, when we asked Ry to step in, we did a lot of rehearsals with him. We talked about how to walk. He actually did research himself. He was watching animal videos, just nature videos of animals walking to try to just get a feel for how a predator would walk around the woods stalking its prey.”

Barrett corroborated, “They had an initial shoot that I wasn’t a part of, and that was about a full year before they approached me and had decided to reshoot. At that time, I don’t think it was a plan to reshoot everything, but there were key scenes and key moments that they definitely had to 100% go back and redo. The entire film is pivoting on his movements and everything; I think you’d be able to tell if suddenly it was somebody different. So then the decision, on top of a bunch of other factors, was made to reshoot the entire thing. I was really happy to be on board, and the fact that they were going to do that, and to kind of build this character and just be there for all of it.”

As for Barrett’s process of cracking his character, he looked to Nash’s script.

“I think Johnny is supposed to be a bit of a mystery, psychologically and what is going through his head,” Barrett explains. “It was more about, I think, treating him like an animal, like a wild animal sort of, and that’s what the analogy [in the film] sort of encapsulates: what Johnny is and how he works. I looked at it that way because of that. The monologue that Lauren Taylor gives is that he’s like a wild animal, a bear that just has something wrong, and that’s how he operates. It doesn’t necessarily make sense what he’s doing, but it does to him.”

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“The suit really lends itself to the character, Barrett elaborates. “I had my rules that I stuck to, but once you get into the suit as Johnny, it kind of just locks everything into place. Getting the suit on wasn’t too extensive of a thing. There was an underlayer, like Under Armor, with skin, latex skin, and everything looking like it’s rotted underneath the pants and underneath the shirt. Then there was either a cowl I wore some days with an open mask that you’d see the back of Johnny’s head, and then other days there was the mask, the full mask, and then some days we had the mask that had a cutout so I could see better and move better. The only the real day that took the most time was the day where you actually see Johnny’s face. That was a longer makeup day because that was a full application and took probably close to three hours.”

It wasn’t just the actor that changed during the reshoots, but Johnny’s design, too. Nash walks us through some of those key changes that ended up improving upon his original vision.

Nash explains, “Watching the assembly cut, we realized that there were small things that we could improve upon that just changed the tone rather dramatically. For instance, how far we followed behind Johnny with the camera, just giving him that perfect amount of space in the frame. Because we were a lot closer the first time around, and the second time around, we were like, ‘We need to pull back a lot further. Another thing that we were looking at was we actually redesigned the weather mask. It was a much more accurate depiction of what the actual firefighting mask was in real life, but we realized that it kind of looked a little too much like a diving bell; it looked a little too goofy. So, we redesigned it, made it a lot more form-fitting to his head, and gave it that goggle look for just kind of more of a piercing eye.”

“There were so many things we took away from the first time around, even just how we were achieving some gore gags, little flourishes we could throw in,” he adds. “So I don’t recommend, and I also very much recommend, reshooting movies in their entirety before you release them.”

Check out In a Violent Nature in theaters this weekend, and stay tuned for a follow-up interview piece here on Bloody Disgusting about the film’s practical effects and gory kills.

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