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Kevin Bacon Explains Why Haunted House Thriller ‘You Should Have Left’ Feels Close to Home [Interview]
You Should Have Left isn’t just a supernatural thriller. It’s a reunion between filmmaker David Koepp and actor Kevin Bacon, who previously starred in Koepp’s impressive supernatural thriller Stir of Echoes. Their new film is, like their first, also about Bacon’s character suffering from psychological horrors at the hands of a frightening supernatural force, and the dangers that emerge not just for the protagonist but also his family.
But whereas Stir of Echoes was a story about a working class man who suddenly was able to talk to ghosts, You Should Have Left is about a wealthy family with ties to banking and Hollywood, who are trapped in a labyrinthine haunted vacation home.
If you ask Kevin Bacon, as Bloody-Disgusting did in a recent interview, what it was like reuniting with David Koepp after more than 20 years, he waves it off with a laugh.
“Well, we’re both older!” says Kevin Bacon.
“It’s almost like it’s funny, ‘re-uniting,’ because we actually stayed pretty close,” Bacon explains. “Shockingly, for Hollywood. And for many, many years we’ve been talking about making another film together. It’s just taken me 20 years to wear him down enough that he finally agreed to it.”

“I think that he really sparked to this concept of a horror movie with a marriage as its backdrop, and I could see the wheels turning and we were having conversations about it. He was pretty close to having an outline or writing an outline and then the book You Should Have Left just kind of popped onto my radar and I read it and I said, “You know Dave, there’s a book that’s like SHOCKINGLY close to what we’re talking about already,’” Kevin Bacon laughs.
“He’s like, ‘Don’t let me in, I don’t want to see it! I don’t want to see it! I don’t want to see it!’ And then eventually he read it and we folded that book into an already existing idea that he had,” Bacon says. “And [he] took it to Jason Blum and in a very, very, relatively short… it took 20 years to get David to write the script, but from the point at which he put pen to paper and when we were actually in Wales shooting was incredibly fast.”
But even though the project shifted gears and wound up tying into a pre-existing novel, to Bacon their original premise still holds.
“I think it is fundamentally about the marriage. It’s about paranoia, it’s about dark things in your past and whether or not you… if you repent the sins of your past is it no longer necessary for you to pay for those sins?” Kevin Bacon muses.

As for the film being about a second marriage, to a much younger woman and a movie star, played by Amanda Seyfried, Bacon explains that was all part of the design. And the Hollywood story element had the added bonus of speaking to his own, personal experience.
“From the first time that David and I sat down he said maybe she should be a second marriage and much younger. And the reason for that is very specific in that the paranoia that he has about whether or not she is faithful, or whether or not he is someone who is probably on the backside of his life and maybe not as his full power sexually and otherwise, is ‘Why would she be with me?’”
“And also the generational difference between people who are attached to their phones and have that kind of world. It’s something that he doesn’t really understand,” Bacon adds.
“And, very importantly, the fact that she’s an actress and I’ve been married to an actress for 30 years,” Bacon adds, referring to his marriage with Villains star Kyra Sedgwick, “I can tell you that when an actor goes off and has a relationship with a crew and other co-stars and is at work for 14-16 hours a day, or on location or whatever, it can be a hard thing to accept or get your head around. Especially if one of the people is not in the business and really doesn’t understand it. So all those things were very specific to the story.”

Which isn’t to say that this haunted house movie isn’t also, technically, about the haunted house. Indeed, to Bacon, the two are directly intertwined in an subconscious way.
“It’s about a house being a reflection of your own soul. I don’t know about you but I sometimes dream in houses. You know, different houses, random houses, and I once had a dream therapist that told me that those were just reflections of myself. That I was just kind of building a different of myself at night,” Bacon reveals.
Does that subconscious attachment to different houses affect the way Back played his character in You Should Have Left?
“I don’t know about that,” Bacon says after thinking a moment. “But I can tell you that David was very clear that he didn’t want to do a haunted house trope, in the sense of old creaky antiques and a gothic ivy-covered thing. Especially since we were going to go to Wales. He really wanted to turn that genre sort of on its end.”

“And when we saw this particular house, which is called The Life House,’ and which by the way you actually can rent it to stay there, it just seemed like we had to have it,” Bacon explains. “There’s something cold about it. There’s something spartan about it. It’s a house that was literally created and constructed and built for people to go and have quiet meditation.”
“And so ‘quiet meditation’ can on one hand be really, really good for you. And on another hand it can make you kind of nuts, so that’s what we went with,” Bacon adds.
That raises yet another question: If you can rent the house from You Should Have Left, and You Should Have Left proclaims the house to be horrifying, will that make the house more popular to rent… or less?
“I would say more,” Bacon says. “I think a lot of people would look at that and say ‘That’s cool, I want to go there.’ Believe me, it is a very, very beautiful house.”

Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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