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“My Version of Giallo”: James Wan Lets Us Know What to Expect from His New Horror Movie ‘Malignant’ [Interview]
James Wan‘s heralded return to horror, Malignant, releases on September 10, in theaters and HBO Max, but much of it remains shrouded in mystery. The filmmaker cited Dario Argento, Mario Bava, and Brian De Palma as inspiration, and the imagery released so far teases Wan’s take on the Giallo. Ahead of its release, Bloody Disgusting chatted with the modern horror master to dig into those influences and why he made Malignant for horror fans- including himself.
One thing Wan made clear straight away; don’t expect the Giallo classics as inspiration. Wan drew from the wilder, supernatural films. “I would say that when I reference Argento, I don’t necessarily reference his classics like Deep Red or Suspiria. I would reference more like Trauma, Phenomena, Tenebrae, some of these later ones just because they’ve got more and more out there, if you will, for lack of better description. And I felt like that’s the spirit of this.”
In other words, it’s purely Wan’s take on the Giallo. “I’m such a big Giallo fan. I mean, there’s no denying that. I’ve said that in the past. I’ve always harbored this desire to make a Giallo movie, but do it my way; my version of Giallo. So, it’s not fully the traditional classical Giallo. It had certain aesthetical things that I bring from it. It still has the umbrella idea of a woman dealing with the trauma of what happened to her. She’s trying to overcome it. She’s trying to stay one step ahead of a killer that is killing these people around her and coming after her. It has the shades of that. But then I take it in my own direction.”

Wan’s horror films often feel like they feature some level of inside baseball or engage in a conversation solely with the horror fan. “It’s funny that you say that because even the first image that I released of Malignant, which was just this hand-holding this weird bladed instrument, I knew the general public probably have no idea what the heck that is. But I knew that immediately there’d be a group of people that would go, “We know exactly what this movie is going to be about.” And it’s that part of all of this that makes it really cool for me. I’m one of these people in that small group of people, and I’m sharing it with my friends, if you will,” Wan explained of making Malignant as a horror fan for horror fans.
“It’s definitely something more intimate and more personal for me. The best way I describe Malignant is, growing up in the late ’80s and ’90s when I would go to the video store- when video stores were still around- we would go to the video store. I would go all the way to the back of the video store to the horror section because that’s where they usually keep the horror section. They were too embarrassed to have it upfront. And then, once I get to that section, I would venture even deeper into the horror section, into the back shelves, and take down a video cover that I’ve never seen before, but the cover was so cool. I don’t know what the movie is. That is how I describe Malignant. Malignant is that movie that I take from the back shelves.”
Malignant seems like Wan unrestrained in a playful way, and he reflects on why that is, “Yeah, I honestly think it’s partially because the last ten years I’ve become known as like The Conjuring guy. I’ve become known as the supernatural ghost guy because of the Insidious and The Conjuring films. I thought, oh wait, wait a minute. You guys were labeling me the torture porn guy from 15 years ago. How did I become like the ghostly jump scare guy? I guess it’s just me being playful, just kind of me knowing people’s perception of me. And when I start to think that I’m becoming repetitive, or that I feel like people think they know me too well now, that’s when I go, okay, I need to change things up. I need to reinvent myself. I need to try different things. And that was the case with Malignant.”

“I went out to do something original that wasn’t based on an IP, but still be inspired by all the stuff that I love, all those influences that I have in my life and hark back to the movies that I broke out with at the start of my career. I wanted to go back and make a movie for the fans, for the horror fans, the hardcore horror fans that have been around that have supported me and said, “Hey, I haven’t forgotten you guys because I’m one of you guys,” and I want to go back and do something like that again. And listen, I don’t know when I’ll ever get the chance to do something as crazy and outrageous as this again, so I’ll take this opportunity.”
Based on Wan’s ability to sneak horror into most of his projects, including that intense Mariana Trench sequence in Aquaman, we have a hunch he’ll never truly leave horror. Wan grins, “Well, I say you can take the boy out of horror, but you can’t take the horror out of the boy. It’s first and foremost my first love, and it will always be in me.”
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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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