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Animatronics and Contortionists: How James Wan and Ingrid Bisu Brought ‘Malignant’ Killer Gabriel to Life [Spoiler Interview]
This article contains spoilers, including images. Be warned…
Director James Wan‘s latest, Malignant, has set the internet ablaze with his bizarre spin on Giallo, drawing heavy inspiration from his formative years as a horror fan discovering the genre’s weirdest and wildest offerings from the dark corners of a video store. Screenwriter Akela Cooper brought the campy B-movie fun to the page. The idea behind the story- and its memorable killer- started with Wan and actress Ingrid Bisu (The Nun, The Conjuring 3: The Devil Made Me Do It), who charms in the film as forensic officer Winnie.
Malignant opens to a hospital-set bloodbath in 1993, where a trail of slaughtered medical staff leads to an obscured vision of the movie’s killer, Gabriel. The horrified doctor orders the surviving team to prepare for tumor removal at once. Cut to the present, where a pregnant and abused Madison (Annabelle Wallis) takes a nasty bump on her skull in a fight with her husband, Derek (Jake Abel). She locks herself in her room and eventually falls asleep, where she’s plagued with horrifying visions of murder. Those visions become a regular occurrence; Madison sleeps, dreams of brutal deaths, and wakes to find blood on her pillow.
The killer is a grown Gabriel, and the third act reveals this peculiar, deformed killer as Madison’s parasitic twin. More specifically, residual parts of her parasitic twin stuffed away into her skull until her bump knocked him back to the surface. Gabriel then asserted control of Madison’s body to enact revenge, leading to a climactic fight for dominance from within.

Ingrid Bisu as Winnie in Malignant.
So, where exactly did the idea for this very malignant killer get its start?
“It came from me just saying I’m going to go back and do something smaller, like a little horror film after Aquaman. But I didn’t quite know what the story would be,” Wan shared. Bisu then sought inspiration, and she turned to a subject that profoundly fascinates her; medical anomalies.
Bisu elaborated, “I love watching documentaries about medical anomalies, twins, parasitic twins, teratomas. So that’s where this idea came from, I pitched it to James, and he said, ‘Wow, this is really interesting. How would that work?’ I went online, did all my research about it, and I found some crazy things.”

That research led her to a fascinating case that served as inspiration, “Edward Mordrake is a historical subject. I found drawings and stories about how he had a smaller head in the back of his head. This head would torture him or give him horrible thoughts and ideas. It whispered horrible things to him. Unfortunately, he did end up taking his own life. I felt like there was a lot of darkness there. It’s an interesting thing.” Bisu added, “Then I did the same with the parasitic twin, but I don’t recommend anybody researches this. It was hard to watch. A lot of them are infants. It’s heartbreaking, but it did give me the fuel of wanting to tell the story.”
That research prompted the decision to have Gabriel exist within Madison’s skull: “Parasitic twins and teratomas can show up in different places of the body. But the head to me is the most important because it’s the central base of your entire being,” Bisu explained.
Once Bisu and Wan locked down the idea of a parasitic twin as the killer, they started collaborating on how that would look. Bisu recounts how they experimented with movement, “We decided what if Gabriel not only exists there, but he takes over the body in movement, so he moves backward. We started experimenting with that. We looked silly, but I think it translated well in the picture.”
Wan shared that in Gabriel’s more physical, parasitic form, they turned to special effects, specifically animatronics, to bring him to life. You get a glimpse of those animatronics during the opening and the flashbacks on videotape. But for the movement-based scenes, multiple performers gave life to Gabriel. Most notably, contortionist Marina Mazepa.
The director elaborated, “Whenever Gabriel comes out of Madison and possesses her, it’s a combination of a bunch of people. First Annabelle Wallis’ performances, then we switched to Marina, who is this contortionist and dancer. She would study and create this new character in terms of her movement. Marina would wear an Annabelle Wallis mask on her face, and she would have an animatronic Gabriel in the back of her head. She would play out a lot of her scenes just backward, literally backward. I thought that I would have to shoot things in reverse and then play it forward. But I didn’t have to cheat and do any trickery because Marina did such an amazing job knowing how to move backward and rehearsing her movement. It was pretty interesting and amazing to watch when we were shooting it.”
Mazepa wasn’t the only memorable contortionist to play Gabriel, either. Bisu revealed modern horror mainstay “Twisty” Troy James as the other. Eagled-eyed viewers can pick out James’ portrayal of Gabriel in crucial scenes, like the murder of Madison’s husband, Derek. Bisu has nothing but effusive praise and awe for both James and Mazepa. “It was a combo of two of them. We met them, and they started demonstrating things in the office. It blew my mind. They really brought it. I feel like they made our vision come to life because we can only imagine so much of that movement, but neither of us can do it. Both of them are absolutely incredible.”
Here’s to hoping that Wan and Bisu collaborate on horror again in the future, and continue to take bold swings. In the meantime, horror fans can look forward to seeing Marina Mazepa as Lisa Trevor in the upcoming Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City.
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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.


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