Interviews
‘Firestarter’ Director Keith Thomas on Practical Effects, Real Fire, and Working with John Carpenter
This week, the modern reimagining of Stephen King‘s Firestarter releases courtesy of Universal, Blumhouse, and director Keith Thomas (The Vigil).
In Firestarter, “A young girl develops pyrokinetic abilities and is abducted by a secret government agency that wants to harness her powerful gift as a weapon.”
Ahead of its debut in theaters and on Peacock on May 13, Bloody Disgusting spoke with Thomas about the modern update on King’s classic novel. The director revealed the intricate stunt work involved in practical fire effects and what it was like working with horror master John Carpenter for the film’s score.
Because the cinematic landscape has become so saturated with superheroes in the decades since the novel and 1984 film’s release, Thomas wanted to set his version of Firestarter apart by emphasizing the horror. He turned to a body horror master for inspiration.
Thomas explained, “In some ways, Firestarter is like a superhero origin story, but for me, it was trying to make that as grounded and real as possible. We’ve seen somebody shoot fire from their hands, eyes, feet, or whatever it is. What would it be like if you really could create fire with your mind? What would that do to your body? What would that do to other people?
“I wanted to bring it back to the book and go much more in-depth into if this were real, what would this look like? Forget flying. If people had abilities, how would it affect them in a more David Cronenberg way than, say, a big superhero way?“
That entailed using fire practically and finding new ways to wield it. The filmmaker sought to capture the grisly effects of fire on the human body.

Director Keith Thomas and Ryan Kiera Armstrong on the set of Firestarter.
Thomas tells BD, “Almost all the fire in Firestarter is real and practical onset. When it came to Charlie [played by Ryan Kiera Armstrong] using her abilities, I wanted to explore the buildup and what it felt like when a room heats up and things are changing, and she’s getting tense. The fire itself is cathartic, right? It’s just boom; it’s over.
“But I wanted to see the ramifications. If you burned somebody’s arms, what would that look like afterward? It’d be pretty horrible. We see with one other character that if you get bathed in flames, what will happen to your skin and your body? The pain, you can imagine, would be unimaginable. I wanted to show the horror in the way of a monster attack. If you get attacked by somebody throwing fire at you, what would that look like? What would that be like? And for me, that’s the true horror of it. What she does is awful.”
Thomas broke down just how elaborate the stunts get, “All the fire is real. Some of it gets a little enhanced with VFX to clean up things that we couldn’t take care of, but the final act features a 40-foot flamethrower, and those people are really being hit by it. We had built that set specifically to do that stunt. They’ve got oxygen tanks under there, and that fire is hitting them. That room’s a thousand degrees. Flames are coming up out of the roof. Everyone has to clear the set. It’s a major undertaking to do that. But to me, it resonates in a way that CGI can’t. It has to be a handshake between special effects and practical and CG, and they have to work together. Otherwise, one is just sitting on top of the other, and it doesn’t work.”
The director was so committed to the practical effects that he convinced actor Sydney Lemmon, who plays Charlie’s mom Vicky, to get up close and personal with the flames. He tells us, “When Vicky’s arms go on fire, that’s really Sydney with her arms lit on fire. I had to convince Sydney to do it. When I first brought it up, she had read it in the script, and she was like, ‘Keith, what are you doing with this scene?’ I was like, ‘Honestly, Sydney, if you could be on fire, that would be amazing. I don’t want to have to put your face on somebody else.’ And she was like, ‘I don’t know. I don’t know.’
“She met with our stunt coordinator. He got her comfortable and showed her how it worked, and she did it. In some test rehearsals, she put her arms on fire. She was thrilled. So, then when the day came, she was a real trooper. We did that take. We did probably four or five takes of that, and she’s like, ‘Let it go longer.’ It’s burning on her arms, and it burns for five seconds. She would like, ‘Go eight seconds. Let’s just keep going.’

(from left) Vicky (Sydney Lemmon) and Andy (Zac Efron) in Firestarter, directed by Keith Thomas.
“Then, to complicate it too, you also have Zac [Efron] running in with a blanket to put her out, so you’ve got two actors involved with the fire. It just involves a lot of just safety mechanisms at the ready. Thankfully, it all went without a hitch. There’s a certain element of danger to it that you feel on set and that I hope translates.”
That Thomas’s film includes a score by John Carpenter, who at one time had been tied to helm an adaptation of Firestarter, begged an obvious question of how he got involved.
“It was an idea that I had floated because I knew Blumhouse’s history with Carpenter, with the Halloween trilogy. I thought no way that was ever going to happen. Then crazily enough, it did. Suddenly, I was on the phone with John and talking about the score and what we wanted from it.”
“We didn’t get into his history with Firestarter. John’s a very straight shooter. He’s like, ‘Right now, I’m composing this score, and this is what we’re going to do.’ So I didn’t want to bring it up. But I think it was, in some ways, liberating for him because it was his first score not directly tied to something that he had done. He and Cody [Carpenter] and Daniel [Davies] were able to play in interesting ways. It’s still very Carpenter. It’s still very much what you would expect and what you’d hope for.”
As for what kind of sound Thomas wanted, he cited a specific Carpenter film.
“We had talked about what it’s going to sound like; he wanted references. I said, Christine, in terms of what the sound should feel like and what we’re going for,” Thomas explains. “He watched the film. He gave me his overall notes of ‘here’s what I’m thinking of doing.’ From there, it was pretty much ‘John, do your thing. I’ll listen to it. I’ll give you any notes if I have them, but I trust you a hundred.’ I mean, who am I to say?”

John Carpenter’s ‘Christine’ (1983)
Interviews
‘Rubberhead’ Director Nick Taylor on FX Maverick Steve Johnson, Practical Effects, and Seven-Year Journey
Horror journalist, producer, and podcast host Nick Taylor moves into the director’s seat for his feature debut with illuminating documentary Rubberhead: The Life & Monsters of Steve Johnson.
It chronicles the wild life and career of SFX maverick Steve Johnson, based on the multi-volume book series Rubberhead: Sex, Drugs and Special FX, and those familiar likely already know Rubberhead isn’t your standard horror documentary.
Johnson is responsible for so many memorable movie monsters, having worked on Fright Night, Poltergeist II, An American Werewolf in London, A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master and Night of the Demons, to name a few. He’s also extremely candid in ways that feel atypical in this industry, open about his failures as much as his successes.
“It was a natural progression for sure,” Nick Taylor tells Bloody Disgusting of his transition into filmmaking ahead of Rubberhead‘s world premiere next week at the Fantasia Film Festival on July 23. “I think with my podcast, I got adept at interviewing people and pulling creative lessons out of them, which was the point of my podcast. I wanted this movie to be sort of a creativity pill for artists where if they’re starting a project or feel creatively stuck, they could watch this movie and be inspired and get actual practical creative lessons.”
Taylor’s background in PR and marketing also organically led him down this path.
He charts the course from book promo to documentary director: “But also Bloody Disgusting had a lot to do with this movie because in the very beginning when I first met Steve, I was helping him promote his book and I said, ‘Hey, I got a marketing background and a journalism background. Let me help you promote this book. I’ll just pitch stories from your life to the media, and we’ll see what happens.’ And John Squires wrote an article about Steve making Slimer under the influence of tons and tons of cocaine, and that went fairly viral.”

“For a week, it was story time with Steve,” Taylor continues. “He would tell me a story from his life, and every story was about a major movie, a major director, lots of drugs and alcohol and insanity. I would write them up, and I think John published about three or four of them. So huge shout out to John Squires because that was really great. So yeah, there were definitely a lot of outgrowths of my journalism background that definitely contributed to this movie.”
Rubberhead condenses the multi-book series into a cohesive feature film with a breezy runtime, sparking the obvious question as to how Taylor approached condensing Johnson’s life down to an under 2-hour documentary film.
“That was one of the more difficult parts of all of this, because we had enough for a series or an epically long six-hour fan documentary,” he answers. “But from day one, I did not want to make a fan documentary. I love them. They’re a lot of fun, but I did want the movie to stand on its own two feet as a character-driven portrait of an artist and a time period and a technology, that being practical effects. I did want to be objective. I didn’t want to make this too long. I wanted to make it re-watchable. So I think we just really had to focus on what the narratives were that we wanted to tell. So there were some basically almost cliché archetypical mythic narratives present in Steve’s life. We could have made this way longer, but we wanted to keep it short. But luckily that’s why you have special features.”

Johnson quickly proves to be an engaging subject thanks to his self-effacing wit and frank self-reflections; expect no shortage of stories about how drugs factored into the height of his career or the failures it wrought.
That rare quality was an asset for Rubberhead, Taylor confirms. “He does not shy away from anything about the drugs, the addiction, the bridges burned, the mistakes made, the lessons learned. He just is honest about all of it. He’s had a lot of time for reflection, and he’s done a lot of reflection, so he doesn’t shy away from any of it, which is huge because it’s very refreshing. I don’t think a lot of people are that way, at least in this industry from what I can see. So I think it was hugely beneficial. We wanted to lean into that, and we wanted to make this sort of a gonzo Hunter S. Thompson sort of wild tale through Steve’s overall life.“
Condensing his life into this doc was a slow and steady process for Taylor, too. “It’s been almost seven years. It’s been a labor of love. We’ve been as indie as it gets. We would shoot what we could when we could, and then we would edit when we could. Then after a while it all came together.”
In a way, making Rubberhead brings Taylor’s horror fandom full circle. It turns out that the very film that sparked his interest in the genre and practical effects also comes with an amusing Steve Johnson anecdote.
Taylor explains, “My gateway for sure was Beetlejuice. I saw that at a very young age; I think I was four or five. I felt somebody had shown me, my soul. I get a little emotional thinking about it. There was something about that movie that felt so strange and unusual, but also felt so familiar. It was spooky, but it was fun, and it was lighthearted, and it had humor, but it also had this macabre celebration to it that I just really got into as a kid. I felt somebody had shown me my own soul. And funny story, Steve got fired from Beetlejuice because Tim Burton gave him his hand-drawn designs and Steve’s like, ‘Oh my God, these look like kids did them. This is not what you want. I know what you want. I’m going to redesign these for you.’ And Tim Burton was like, ‘Yeah, no, you’re not.’ So yeah, funny story.”

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