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‘When Evil Lurks’ – Demián Rugna Makes Movies for Horror Fans, Not for the Wider Audience [Interview]

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Writer/Director Demián Rugna broke onto the horror scene with 2017’s aptly titled Terrified (Aterrados), a paranormal tour de force of shocking imagery and genuine scares. Rugna shifts from ghosts to demonic possession for his latest, When Evil Lurks, breaking all the rules along the way.

Shudder and IFC Films will be presenting When Evil Lurks in theaters on October 6, followed by the film’s Shudder premiere on October 27.

In the film, “a pair of brothers find a mutilated corpse near their property and convene with the locals to suss it out. They soon learn that the odd happenings in their village are the cause of a spirit that’s found its way into a local man waiting for the proper protocols to rid his body of the festering demon. An escape attempt ensues as the film keeps its protagonists on edge, racing against imminent danger to shake the spirit’s relentless clutches.”

Bloody Disgusting spoke with Rugna about his shocking imagery and shattering of horror rules before the film’s release. To start, the musician-turned-filmmaker was asked how much his love of music influences his boundary-pushing horror.

“A lot,” Rugna answered. “Because I make heavy metal music. We love the extreme; I hate commercial movies and commercial music. I guess there’s no limit [to the horror] for me because there’s no limit for me with the music. I am trying to make a mix: to be myself but show a story that could involve the audience as well.

“But yeah, I make heavy metal music and horror movies. It makes sense. But it’s the way of life. When I hung out with my friends, even when we were younger, we broke things in the streets, but not bad guys, obviously, but stupid and extreme. I love that.”

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Rugna’s deep-seated love of heavy metal and horror suits his style well. When asked if that love of horror helps him craft potent scares, the filmmaker reflects on his influences.

He explains, “All the time, I’m trying to write something original and fresh because I am a viewer of horror movies. Honestly, I love horror when it comes with something new, something fresh. I’m trying to create my own universe all the time. I don’t know if I can find a direct influence. When I was working on the processing and the pitching and whatever, I took three direct references. That is The Road, with Viggo Mortensen; The Wailing, it’s a Korean movie; and Evil Dead. I guess three movies influenced me a lot for this movie, but at the same time, I’m trying not to copy anybody.”

When Evil Lurks eschews standard possession and exorcism horror formulas, beginning with a botched exorcism. Of course, that was by design. Rugna tossed faith out the window in favor of something new.

Rugna details “Well, in this case, it was simple because I killed the church. When you said The Exorcist movie, the church is the solution. Now we realize that there’s no more church; there’s no more religion, a thing that could probably help us. With the myth already installed and killing religion, I needed to create a new religion. Or, nobody believes in the same religion but probably the conspiracy theories.”

In other words, faith isn’t something that can be counted upon to save Rugna’s characters from brutal condemnation. Emphasis on brutal. Rugna isn’t afraid to go places with his characters and the horror, and his ability to build tension and craft scares remains impressive.

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One key to that, for Rugna, is directing screenplays that he wrote. But the true key, per the filmmaker, is making horror films specifically for horror fans, not general audiences.

“It’s not easy to scare without a script that makes scares,” he notes. “The problem is when you have a script that really does not scare you; you use the jump scare all the time. I guess to make a script in which you don’t know what is going to happen in two minutes with this character, in two minutes with this element, give me the chance to kick you at any time. And you are not prepared for that. If I work, if I make a script that you can’t anticipate what happened or where I am going. You won’t feel protected because you recognize where I’m going. That’s why I’m making movies for horror fans, not for the wider audience.”

When Evil Lurks releases in theaters on October 6, followed by the film’s Shudder premiere on October 27.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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‘Rubberhead’ Director Nick Taylor on FX Maverick Steve Johnson, Practical Effects, and Seven-Year Journey

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Steve Johnson in the documentary RUBBERHEAD: THE LIFE AND MONSTERS OF STEVE JOHNSON, an American Nightmare Studios release. Photo courtesy of American Nightmare Studios

Horror journalist, producer, and podcast host Nick Taylor moves into the director’s seat for his feature debut with illuminating documentary Rubberhead: The Life & Monsters of Steve Johnson.

It chronicles the wild life and career of SFX maverick Steve Johnson, based on the multi-volume book series Rubberhead: Sex, Drugs and Special FX, and those familiar likely already know Rubberhead isn’t your standard horror documentary.

Johnson is responsible for so many memorable movie monsters, having worked on Fright Night, Poltergeist II, An American Werewolf in London, A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master and Night of the Demons, to name a few. He’s also extremely candid in ways that feel atypical in this industry, open about his failures as much as his successes.

“It was a natural progression for sure,” Nick Taylor tells Bloody Disgusting of his transition into filmmaking ahead of Rubberhead‘s world premiere next week at the Fantasia Film Festival on July 23. “I think with my podcast, I got adept at interviewing people and pulling creative lessons out of them, which was the point of my podcast. I wanted this movie to be sort of a creativity pill for artists where if they’re starting a project or feel creatively stuck, they could watch this movie and be inspired and get actual practical creative lessons.”

Taylor’s background in PR and marketing also organically led him down this path.

He charts the course from book promo to documentary director: “But also Bloody Disgusting had a lot to do with this movie because in the very beginning when I first met Steve, I was helping him promote his book and I said, ‘Hey, I got a marketing background and a journalism background. Let me help you promote this book. I’ll just pitch stories from your life to the media, and we’ll see what happens.’ And John Squires wrote an article about Steve making Slimer under the influence of tons and tons of cocaine, and that went fairly viral.”

“For a week, it was story time with Steve,” Taylor continues. “He would tell me a story from his life, and every story was about a major movie, a major director, lots of drugs and alcohol and insanity. I would write them up, and I think John published about three or four of them. So huge shout out to John Squires because that was really great. So yeah, there were definitely a lot of outgrowths of my journalism background that definitely contributed to this movie.”

Rubberhead condenses the multi-book series into a cohesive feature film with a breezy runtime, sparking the obvious question as to how Taylor approached condensing Johnson’s life down to an under 2-hour documentary film.

That was one of the more difficult parts of all of this, because we had enough for a series or an epically long six-hour fan documentary,” he answers. “But from day one, I did not want to make a fan documentary. I love them. They’re a lot of fun, but I did want the movie to stand on its own two feet as a character-driven portrait of an artist and a time period and a technology, that being practical effects. I did want to be objective. I didn’t want to make this too long. I wanted to make it re-watchable. So I think we just really had to focus on what the narratives were that we wanted to tell. So there were some basically almost cliché archetypical mythic narratives present in Steve’s life. We could have made this way longer, but we wanted to keep it short. But luckily that’s why you have special features.”

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Johnson quickly proves to be an engaging subject thanks to his self-effacing wit and frank self-reflections; expect no shortage of stories about how drugs factored into the height of his career or the failures it wrought. 

That rare quality was an asset for Rubberhead, Taylor confirms. “He does not shy away from anything about the drugs, the addiction, the bridges burned, the mistakes made, the lessons learned. He just is honest about all of it. He’s had a lot of time for reflection, and he’s done a lot of reflection, so he doesn’t shy away from any of it, which is huge because it’s very refreshing. I don’t think a lot of people are that way, at least in this industry from what I can see. So I think it was hugely beneficial. We wanted to lean into that, and we wanted to make this sort of a gonzo Hunter S. Thompson sort of wild tale through Steve’s overall life.

Condensing his life into this doc was a slow and steady process for Taylor, too. “It’s been almost seven years. It’s been a labor of love. We’ve been as indie as it gets. We would shoot what we could when we could, and then we would edit when we could. Then after a while it all came together.”

In a way, making Rubberhead brings Taylor’s horror fandom full circle. It turns out that the very film that sparked his interest in the genre and practical effects also comes with an amusing Steve Johnson anecdote.

Taylor explains, “My gateway for sure was Beetlejuice. I saw that at a very young age; I think I was four or five. I felt somebody had shown me, my soul. I get a little emotional thinking about it. There was something about that movie that felt so strange and unusual, but also felt so familiar. It was spooky, but it was fun, and it was lighthearted, and it had humor, but it also had this macabre celebration to it that I just really got into as a kid. I felt somebody had shown me my own soul. And funny story, Steve got fired from Beetlejuice because Tim Burton gave him his hand-drawn designs and Steve’s like, ‘Oh my God, these look like kids did them. This is not what you want. I know what you want. I’m going to redesign these for you.’ And Tim Burton was like, ‘Yeah, no, you’re not.’ So yeah, funny story.”

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