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‘Dear David’ – Director John McPhail on Parallels Between Haunting and Online Trolling [Interview]

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Lionsgate and BuzzFeed are bringing the creepy viral story Dear David to the big screen this Friday the 13th, with Anna and the Apocalypse director John McPhail at the helm.

Dear David adapts the viral 2017 Twitter thread in which then Buzzfeed cartoonist Adam Ellis chronicled the child haunting his apartment. Mike Van Waes wrote the screenplay, and Augustus Prew stars as the fictionalized version of Ellis.

Director John McPhail spoke with Bloody Disgusting ahead of the film’s release in theaters, On Demand, and Digital on October 13, 2023, where he discussed his horror influences, online trolling, and emphasis on character arcs.

For McPhail, good stories always begin and end with great characters.

“Essentially, I make films for people,” he tells Bloody Disgusting. “I make them for an audience. For me, what I’ve always loved is just following the character’s journey. It doesn’t matter what adventure you take me on or what genre; if I’m behind you and rooting for you and projecting on you, then I’m all in. It’s that experience I want people to have. And having fun characters that take you through something that could be traumatic or ridiculous or silly, that it doesn’t matter how ridiculous or silly it is or how out there it can feel; because you’re behind them, you’re off on that adventure regardless.”

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Augustus Prew as Adam Ellis in Dear David. Photo Credit: Stephanie Montani

In the case of Dear David, the central protagonist is based on a real person. But just how close to reality is McPhail’s vision, mainly where Augustus Prew’s iteration of Adam Ellis is concerned? 

McPhail explains, “Well, I wanted it to feel a little bit larger than life in the film, be a little bit more funny. In my head, it was a little bit of my gay Bruce Campbell, like for my Evil Dead. I wanted to have a little bit of fun with the character because, as I say, he is quite in your face. I wanted to see that. And I wanted you to go through mixed emotions of laughing with him and getting a bit scared with him and then feeling sorry for him.”

This fictional version of Adam Ellis might lean into humor and horror, but it comes with a robust emotional arc inspired by reality. Here, the child ghost’s haunting takes a mental toll on Adam Ellis.

“One of the things me and Augustus talked about a lot was that Adam Ellis is from Montana, and that must’ve been so tough growing up gay in Montana and hearing things on the playground, the 90s being like, ‘This is gay, that’s gay.’ And being a kid and wanting to escape it,” McPhail tells Bloody Disgusting. “Then, when this guy’s having maybe a bit of a breakdown, this twisted child is appearing to him. That kind of thing, it felt right for it to happen that way.”

Because of its origins, there’s a tech horror vibe to Dear David, as its ghost doesn’t just invade Adam Ellis’s home but his online space as well. Considering that technology moves at a rapid pace and Twitter is no longer called Twitter, McPhail reflected on the technological component of his latest feature.

“This is dated automatically to 2017 and trying to encapsulate 2017, that Buzzfeed Twitter walls kind of thing. Personally, I could see the parallels between a haunting and a trolling in the sense that it’s supposed to be your sanctuary, and both of these are outside forces invading that. You can’t get away from the phone buzzing in your pocket or the pings on your screen. I’ve been guilty of this where I’ve read something or a comment or a post or something online, and it just burrows into the back of your head, and it just stays there, and it’s about an hour later it’s terrorizing you. Do you know what I mean? It’s haunting you. I thought this would work with the technology. Yeah. As I said, I knew it was always going to be dated because there is a date stamp on it, but kind of try and encapsulate that.”

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Augustus Prew as Adam Ellis and Cameron Nicoll as Dear David in Dear David. Photo Credit: Stephanie Montani

When asked if McPhail had any horror influences that he drew from visually, the filmmaker cited inspired choices. 

I talked about The Ring a lot; I talked about Event Horizon—things like that for the blackness and that otherworldly, dreamy world. David Lynch was another. There’s a sequence I love in Mulholland Drive, one of the most terrifying sequences, which is one guy walking around the back of the dumpster. When [Adam’s] walking down that aisle, I wanted it to feel like it was staying forever, again, because Lynch is doing that. As well as in dreams, how it does feel like waiting forever when you’re trying to get to something?”

Catch Dear David in theaters and at home on Friday, October 13.

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

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The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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