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‘Dead Mail’ – How the Cast and Crew Brought Authenticity to Fictional ’80s Psychological Thriller

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Writers/Directors Joe DeBoer and Kyle McConaghy’s lo-fi ’80s psychological thriller, Dead Mail, anchors its offbeat story, characters, and retro style around profound loneliness. Bloody Disgusting spoke with the filmmakers along with stars Sterling Macer Jr. and John Fleck at SXSW, where the film made its world premiere, about their unique approach to the genre-bender.

Dead Mail leans heavily into the ’80s analog aesthetic, delivering a unique crime thriller unafraid to get weird with its dark narrative.

In the film, “On a desolate, Midwestern county road, a bound man crawls towards a remote postal box, managing to slide a blood-stained plea-for-help message into the slot before a panicking figure closes in behind him. The note makes its way to the county post office and onto the desk of Jasper, a seasoned and skilled ‘dead letter’ investigator, responsible for investigating lost mail and returning it to its sender. As he investigates further, Jasper meets Trent, a strange yet unassuming man who has taken up residence at the men’s home where Jasper lives. When Trent unexpectedly shows up at Jasper’s office, it becomes clear he has a vested interest in the note, and will stop at nothing to retrieve it…”

Sterling Macer Jr. plays the captive Josh, with John Fleck as Josh’s captor, Trent. Susan Priver, Micki Jackson, Tomas Boykin, and Nick Heyman also star.

While Dead Mail takes its characters on a bizarre journey through keyboard synth and murder, the concept behind it is loosely rooted in fact. At least where dead letter mail is concerned.

Kyle McConaghy explains of the film’s origins, “Joe discovered that a version of it exists. We made a decision after that of, ‘Okay, we know this is a thing.’ We read a couple sentences on Wikipedia, but let’s make our own version of this. To the point of we tried to film in a real post office and they wanted to read the script. They read the script and they’re like, ‘No way. Our employees would never conduct themselves this way.’”

“’This is totally unrealistic,’ Joe DeBoer adds. “Yeah, the first thing we built was the whole system. Let’s make it so there’s a ton of dead letters, he can only investigate the valuables. and let’s make Jasper just a total savant. He should be a crime detective, and then let’s give him a Norwegian counterpart, get some of the info he needs. So, it was just really fun to build that.”

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McConaghy and DeBoer bring a lot of style and creativity to capturing the ’80s and its lo-fi aesthetic, which is all the more impressive for a small independent production. For Sterling Macer Jr., who spends a large portion of the film chained and tormented by his kidnapper, that meant a less glamorous shoot that helped inform his character’s duress.

Macer Jr. explains, “The toilet wasn’t too far away from the sink, which made the whole thing seem to feel like a place you didn’t want to be on the floor of and yet there I was and at first you feel like, ‘Okay, well this is an acting gig. This is what you do.’ Sometimes I’ve been everything from dragged behind a horse to busting in the White House as an actor. That’s the gig. You’re going to be doing things that you just didn’t expect, but this, it had a weight to it emotionally because you’re bound, sometimes gagged, and the ties on your wrists are tighter than you would think they would be, but it’s appropriate. And because you don’t have all the accoutrements of a huge studio production, you don’t have somebody coming up and making sure you’re okay. You’re on the floor and you’re waiting for the camera to move, things to get adjusted, and so you have to live with that experience being bound and you can’t do anything about it and you’re here on this grimy floor. There was an emotional weight to that, which was good because it was useful.”

“When Sterling first came out chained up, I think we did have a plastic chain, but Sterling’s so committed,” McConaghy says of his star. “He always chose the more realistic option. So he had a real chain around him. He was all dirty when he came out. As his friends, it kind of broke our heart and it was like, ‘Man, is this okay? Have we gone too far? Man, this is not cool.’ But no, the commitment was impressive. I think you forwent knee pads a few times because you wanted the realism of it.”

“After a couple of times then I went with the pads. I’d like to be tough guy, but Charles Bronson I ain’t,” Macer Jr. cracks.

Opposite Josh is the villainous Trent, made surprisingly sympathetic by John Fleck’s performance. There’s a deep loneliness that drives Trent to committing terrible acts in the film, but was that the central trait that unlocked the character for Fleck?

Fleck tells us, “I would have to say it’s not so much the loneliness, but it’s sort of derived from it because Josh values and likes his loneliness, his solitary existence. I think the fact that Trent shows up in his life and all of a sudden the notion of partnership and working on, it’s a foreign notion to him, but he’s so naïve about it. That’s really what I liked about the character once I realized that it took a little while, but there’s the naivete of Josh is what allows for Trent to enter into his life the way he does. Then I realized, well, this is a character, something like I’ve never done on screen before. Play a character that is so unknowing and is so not this more aggressive nature.”

John Fleck in Dead Mail

The gritty analog style in Dead Mail lends a period authenticity. When combined with its quirks and hyper specific detail, it’s easy to buy this thriller as rooted in fact. So much so that a text and photo epilogue could convince many that the events in Dead Mail drew basis from a true story, even when the end credits make it clear that it’s all fiction.

That final coda wasn’t initially planned, either.

DeBoer reveals how this serendipitous closing button came to be: “[McConaghy] was sending a draft and he threw that in at 4:00 in the morning one night. I watched the next morning and I was like, ‘This is amazing. We have to keep this in. And then we did.'”

McConaghy jokes, “It was more to test like, is Joe and our producer, are they getting sacked? Are they actually going to watch the whole thing? But it felt like, I mean we slogged through an edit. It felt like we need a pick me up, we need to do something here. It was intended just to be a stupid joke. But yeah, it stuck.”

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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