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Director Chuck Russell Previews His Return to Horror with the ‘Witchboard’ Remake [Interview]
A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors and The Blob director Chuck Russell makes his long-awaited return to horror with Witchboard, a remake of writer/director Kevin S. Tenney’s original 1986 movie that premiered at the Fantasia International Film Festival last week.
Madison Iseman (I Know What You Did Last Summer), Aaron Dominguez (Only Murders in the Building), Antonia Desplat (Shantaram) and Charlie Tahan (Ozark) star in the horror movie. Director Chuck Russell co-wrote the script with Greg McKay.
Iseman stars as Emily, a former addict who works with her fiancé Christian (Dominguez) and a group of their friends to open an organic café, refurbishing an old carriage house in New Orleans’ French Quarter. When Emily finds an antique pendulum board, she unwittingly becomes a pawn in a bewitching battle over her soul. It’s a premise that only loosely resembles the original film; Witchboard forgoes the Ouija board in favor of something far more ancient in the occult realm.
Chuck Russell, speaking with Bloody Disgusting, explained what it was about Witchboard that brought him back to horror after a lengthy hiatus.
The filmmaker tells us, “Well, honestly, I wanted to get back to the horror genre. I’ve been keeping an eye out for that over the course of my career, and I wanted to do something even scarier and more imaginative. I wanted to top my other two horror films because the fans of those original films I did as a young director, Elm Street 3 and The Blob, are still thanking me for it, to my astonishment. It’s a great, entertaining, cathartic genre and one of the most lively genres to sit with an audience.”
“You can really tell if your film is working or not if you’re sitting in a good horror film audience,” he continues. “So I thought Witchboard was a little bit like The Blob and that it’s very pop culture resonant, but there’s room to explore the idea. Honestly, I’ve been interested in pendulum boards. I’ve researched supernatural things over the course of my career, cautiously, honestly, because you bump into some pretty interesting people. But pendulum boards are so visual.”

“And Hitchcock is one of my inspirations,” Russell continues. “Many directors were inspired by him, but his use of what he called MacGuffins, which were props in movies, is very inspiring to me. I knew what I could do with the camera on a pendulum board and what had never been investigated spiritually. Historically, it’s a real thing. The pope in the 1700s outlawed pendulum boards. That’s why Ouija boards even exist. You’d get burned at the stake if you used the divination tool of a pendulum over a board with mystical symbols on it, and so that gave birth eventually to the Ouija board. But the fact is that we use it for spell casting and divination and contacting spirits, so it left me with a wide palette to use in this film. I thought I could honor the original, but there were ways to explode it and do, hopefully, my most imaginative and scary horror film.”
The director used the 1986 original only as a loose inspiration. Russell explains, “I allowed myself to be inspired by it and honor what Kevin Tenney did, which he really created a subgenre of Ouija board horror in movies. It was the first one. There were three of them, I guess, but there were no witches, which was my first issue. It’s the greatest title ever. Where’s the witch? So, I got to explore Wicca in a way, again with some real legit research and then having imaginative fun with it. I’ve never seen a witch’s cat used in a legit horror film. The familiar was a real thing in the mythology of Wicca, so we got to use a wonderful cat that Madison and I both had an incredible time working with.”
For his witch, Russell enlisted Antonia Desplat as Naga Soth, one of the figures battling over Iseman’s Emily. Because Witchboard includes a more expansive lore with actual witchcraft, Emily’s journey looks drastically different from Tawny Kitaen’s Linda in the 1986 film. While that means a more robust arc for the character, Iseman mostly had eyes for her costar Tatiana, the impressive cat who plays the witch’s familiar in the film.
“I’ve always wanted to work with a cat,” jests star Madison Iseman about what drew her to the role. “That’s partially a joke. But actually, there’s just so much fun to play with, I think, in the script. It’s just an action-packed, fun story, so there were just a lot of things to play with. Especially looking at different roles and characters; Emily goes through every single wave of emotion humanly possible, which, as an actor, is just fun to dive into. Chuck was obviously a huge draw for me, too. I’ve been a big fan of his for a very long time. So it was an easy yes, just from the beginning, and I’ve always wanted to work with a cat, and Tatiana was the best. I love her. I wish she was here today.”

Russell expands on Iseman’s character, “Her character experiences nightmares, very dangerous hallucinations, a form of body swapping, and time travel. And what’s interesting is there’s never any confusion because of the way she played it, and so you can tell. I don’t want to give away too much with spoilers and things, but we pushed the envelope, and I got to do everything I ever wanted to do in horror in this film.”
“Also, Chuck’s so great with his practical use of effects, and I think that was a huge draw as well, and I think it’s a part of our film that shines,” Iseman adds.
But was working with the cat everything that Iseman hoped it would be?
“Honestly, it was the greatest moment of my life,“ Iseman gushes. “She was so talented. I’ve never been more impressed by an actress in my life. She could do everything. [Chuck Russell] let me play with Tatiana some. There’s some improv that gets added with the cat, which I think helps, too.“
Chuck Russell said in his director’s statement on the film that he considers it to be the third in his trilogy of horror fantasy experiments. While the filmmaker did pour everything he had into Witchboard, the door is always ajar when it comes to more horror.
“I put everything I hadn’t tried into this film. I hope that fans of my work will recognize my touch,” he tells us. “But we have dreams; we have deadly hallucinations. We have body swaps; we have literal time travel. It’s fun in that regard, but number one is to scare the hell out of people, and I think we’ve done that, too.
“Look, I’ve been fascinated with pendulum boards and alternate realities my whole career, and it was my first opportunity. Pendulum boards have never been used in the genre, and I can’t believe it because of the history of pendulum boards. But as a cinematic device, as a visual device, it’s excellent. I got to design the board with real mystical symbols and things that I know represent good and evil, and where that board takes us if the audiences respond to the film, and I hope they will; I know it’s out there for you guys, but the sequel is a world we’ll get to go a little further. That’s sure the intention.”
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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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