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‘The Deliverance’ – Andra Day and Glenn Close Talk Fear, Cycles of Abuse and the Unique Filming Experience [Interview]

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Netflix’s possession horror movie The Deliverance centers on a single mother struggling to raise her kids while struggling with her inner demons, and that’s before the actual evil takes root in the new family home. Cycles of abuse lead to intense confrontations in this family, particularly between protagonist Ebony Jackson (Andra Day) and her mother Alberta (Glenn Close).

The Deliverance, out now in select theaters before arriving on Netflix August 30, is loosely based on a true story: that of Latoya Ammons and her 2011 haunting in the house that’s also known as the Demon House. While director Lee Daniels (Precious, The Butler), who also wrote with writers David Coggeshall and Elijah Bynum, spends a lot of time establishing complex characters that stand apart from their real-life inspirations, the filmmaker previously told us in a recent interview that he wanted to really dig into the drama and get to know the characters first before pulling the rug out from under viewers with the horror.

Daniels also explained how Glenn Close’s character doesn’t have a real-life counterpart; Alberta is a wholly original character created for this story. Alberta is a deeply complex character, grappling with her own place in Ebony’s cycle of abuse, which leads to no shortage of explosive exchanges between mother and daughter. That The Deliverance really delves into this relationship means Andra Day and Glenn Close share a lot of intense scenes together, and their director afforded them the rare gift of ample rehearsal time to sink into their roles.

“Lee gave us that,” Close says of building that mother-daughter relationship with Day. “It was generous to give us that time, usually you don’t get that much time. I think we came to understand that these are two women who exist in this cycle of abuse. The movie, I think, then becomes almost a metaphor for breaking that cycle and the power and the courage that it takes to break it. You can translate that into so many different stories. But I think where there’s great tension, there’s also potentially great love.”

Behind the scenes of The Deliverance with Lee Daniels

The Deliverance. (L to R) Director/Producer/Writer Lee Daniels, Glenn Close as Alberta and Andra Day as Ebony on the set of The Deliverance. Cr. Aaron Ricketts/Netflix © 2024

As for Day, she recounts how inspired she felt to work alongside not just Close but the entire cast. “I mean, it’s impossible not to learn more about your craft when you are on set with Glenn Close, when you are on set with Mo’Nique, with Anjanue Ellis, with Caleb [McLaughlin], Demi [Singleton] and [Anthony B. Jenkins],” Day gushes. “Again, these are all not just veteran actors, but these are legendary iconic performances that they have given time and again. One of the things that I learned, particularly from Glenn, is that there was zero ego on set. They deserve to have that. You know what I mean? When she walked on set every day because it was a new character, she approached every day as if it was almost her first day on set, trying to get this right and really wanting to do this well. When you see somebody who you admire so much, and you’re a fan of their work, for them to have the same hunger and almost the same, not necessarily fear, but that drive underneath, you go, oh, that’s what has kept her and what has made her so amazing and so iconic. All of them, you know what I mean?

“That is what I learned: to stay that way, keep it fresh and exciting and keep that sort of hunger in your belly. Once you lose that, you should probably let it go.

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The Deliverance. Glenn Close as Alberta in The Deliverance. Cr. Aaron Ricketts/Netflix © 2024

Alberta may be a complex woman, but The Deliverance is Ebony Jackson’s story, and Andra Day’s character gets put through the emotional wringer as life throws every high-stakes obstacle her way with few allies to help. She’s also a character with a dark past that’s relayed piecemeal, revealing new facets late into the film. When asked at what point Andra Day felt like she fully understood who Ebony Jackson was, she revealed a surprising connection with her character. The actor even researched Latoya Ammons.

“Through multiple conversations,” Day said of finding her character. “As Glenn said, we did have ample time to prepare, and I actually knew about it on the set of The United States vs. Billie Holiday. So, it wasn’t until the end of filming Billie that he first brought it up to me. I was studying the woman. I was studying her family. But it was really through my conversations with Lee. I think the commonality, I have had a lot of fear in my life. Fear of not just failure, fear of just not being liked, not being accepted. Fear. Fear of showing up to every interview, to every set, to every show, to every, because I just am not good enough. I was reminded through her character that perfect love casts out fear.

“That was a theme for me through this project. Understanding who she was when she was sort of coming to her own understanding of faith. She was almost forced. It was like she had to be forced into this position in order to receive that and transform. I often find myself in that position. So, I think really understanding her came to finding those commonalities, which is like, it’s really, really hard for me to sort of change or receive different things or do different things unless I’m at this critical point, or unless I’m at critical mass and I have to. I think we have that in common, but once we do, then we are changed and we are transformed. We see that in Ebony. That’s what helped me to understand her.”

The Deliverance. Andra Day as Ebony in The Deliverance. Cr. Aaron Ricketts/Netflix © 2024

The Deliverance gives a new spiritual angle to possession horror, one that Lee Daniels wasn’t taking any chances with as he invited an apostle to set every day to anoint with prayer. It may have been an unconventional fixture on set, but it lent a calming presence and made the cast feel protected. 

The tenured Close remarks, “I’ve never seen that on a set. I’ve never witnessed this on a set. Never had somebody talking tongues before you start working. I loved it. I loved every single minute of it, every minute of it. I think it really did inform each day when he was there, and we did that. I felt protected.”

“Yeah, that’s exactly it, Day agrees.” That’s what I was going to say too. As she just said, I felt protected. I felt covered. I think we all did. Whether you engaged, not everybody had to engage with him if they wanted to or if they didn’t want to. But he’s done this. He has performed many deliverances here, in other countries, and in a lot of different places. He’s very familiar with the process, how it’s supposed to go, and the spirit from which it’s supposed to come if you are representing it from this perspective. So, I loved Apostle Louis. I loved praying with him and working with him on set. And it just reminded me that we’re here for a reason. We’re here for a purpose. And it’s not just to scare people. For me, I want people to encounter God. For people to encounter light. That was what that was for me.

It was great, Close adds. “Lee would say, okay, everyone, we’re going to pray now. Come if you want to; it’s okay if you don’t want to.”

Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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