Interviews
[Interview] ‘The Visit’: M. Night Shyamalan and Jason Blum Talk Overcoming Criticism of Past Projects, Low Budget Horror, and Fear of Death
Rebecca and Tyler are about to meet their grandparents for the very first time. Their mother may have severed ties long ago with folks, stubbornly refusing to see them or even talk to them, Tyler and Becca have insisted on having a week-long visit to their remote farm in snow-covered Philadelphia. Becca, an aspiring teenage filmmaker, decides to film their trip to cut a documentary later; an act which she hopes will further her film career, and perhaps even persuade her mom to give her grandparents another chance. They may have gone to grandma’s house with good intentions, what they find when they get there resembles more of a nightmare than a family reunion. Their grandmother and grandfather have been acting peculiar ever since they arrived, and although at first they initially write off the odd behavior as old age, as their worrisome antics continue, the children start to grow suspicious that there may more to the story of their estranged grandparents, and perhaps a good reason why their mother have driven a barrier between the two camps for all these years.
“Limitations create opportunities” preaches writer/director M. Night Shyamalan, the man behind such popular projects as The Sixth Sense, Signs, After Earth, and the recent hit FOX TV show, Wayward Pines. The man who is usually known for big projects that cost upwards of $100,000 has turned the tables on himself and shocked everyone by getting back to basics, and limiting himself to a found footage thriller with a budget of only $5,000,000. By giving himself such rigid restraints, Shyamalan was forced not only to tackle his screenplay in a different manner, but also to limit himself to a single, confined, reasonably-priced set.
Luckily, he found a happy marriage in a little farmhouse in the outskirts of Pennsylvania. Shyamalan himself resides in the Keystone State, and once he learned of a farm nearby that was going under foreclosure from a bank, he convinced the owners to let him rent the place for six months before they put on the fire sale, to which they happily agreed. “You know I storyboard every shot of my thrillers in general. In this one, I had to put it in the screenplay” explains Shyamalan, “So we had this incredible situation where I had the actual house where I was shooting through pre-production, so I would go with the actors and we would rehearse in the rooms, on the stairs, in the kitchen….there was a lot of times, it was really creepy actually, I would go to the house by myself and just sit there, and just think of the shots, and it was just different because I could really, really plan it out and think it through”.
Aside from allowing him to truly stretch his creative muscles, Shyamalan’s lowest studio budget to date also made finding a home at Blumhouse that much easier. “When you get into expensive movie-making territory, it’s almost impossible not to think about the financial result, but when you make low budget movies, you can put that out of your head and create” producer Jason Blum excitedly states, “One of the reasons I really love low budget filmmaking is you can have more fun, and be more playful, and be freer creatively”.
Although it was Blum who started the conversation about pairing up to do a smaller film for Shyamalan’s next project, surprisingly, Shyamalan opted to retreat away from any outside influence, and complete his entire feature on his own time, not choosing to bring Blum into until it was time to show him a rough cut. By absolving himself of any meddling forces, and restricting himself to a stowaway agrarian piece of land with nothing but handheld cameras and a desire to make a scary movie that reflected his own kooky, part horror, part comedy personality, Shyamalan managed to tap into a pure sense of isolation and uncertainty that hasn’t been present in his films for many years. When asked about the ill-recieved past couple of films that feel so vastly different from his newest feature, Shyamalan insisted that he does not look back and try to improve upon old projects, because to try too hard to create something entirely different would only strangle his creativity. “The second you try to conform, you try to do something else, you aspire to be something other than you are, your light diminishes” stresses Shyamalan. “I can walk away and say, ‘The Visit is one hundred percent me’. That’s such a wonderful feeling, and whatever comes from it, comes from it, because how could the result be wrong, right?”
In order to accomplish the believability of a found footage film, Night sought to find actors who were talented enough to balance the genre-blending of the horror-comedy-drama mash-up, while still being unrecognizable enough to be taken seriously as subjects of a recovered tape. In order to do this, Shyamalan looked to the theater. “I love stage actors” boasts the determined director, going on to explain how with his style of filmmaking, he tends to use less coverage, and more long takes. “Because I do long takes, there’s a trust that happens on the set” tells Shyamalan of how he’d rather explore the characters’ emotions in a scene, rather than trying several different angles of the same shot just to have more material for the editing room. “I am committing to him, as his point of view in this thing, with all of us, rather than coverage”. Shyamalan isn’t looking for an actor who can stand on the X and recite lines, he’s looking for someone who can handle reciting extensive, drawn-out dialogue and commit to a character’s emotional state during the times when the camera refuses to cut away, revealing their vulnerable side. To Shyamalan, a theater actor who recites entire plays nightly without the comfort of taking breaks between scenes is simply more fitting for this style of filmmaking than one who’s more catered to filming a few moments of dialogue before stopping and starting again. For these reasons, when Shyamalan set out to find his grandparents, he eyed two theater vets for the roles — Tony award winner Deanna Dunagan, and character actor Peter McRobbie.
The children in the film, also meant to come across as realistic and believable everyday kids, came as a result of a worldwide search, finally ending in Australia. “If you’re trying to find someone that you guys haven’t really seen that much, where are the biggest pools of untapped talent who can do an American accent?” Apparently, the pools are in Port Jackson.
Despite the fact that the kids are supposed to be the sole directors (or as Becca puts it, Tyler is credited as the B-camera operator) of this little documentary, in the real behind the scenes story of the making of the film, all of the beautiful captured moments of a perfectly timed sunset, or an expertly framed moment of action was caught by cinematographer Maryse Alberti, a woman known for bringing grit and raw emotion to Oscar-nominated 2008 film The Wrestler. With the help of another camera operator, Alberti brought the same unbiased view to the farm’s rugged surroundings, while also managing to emote the romantic idea of an amateur filmmaker on the rise, who cares deeply about the look of the film, as well as its subjects.
Alberti may have filmed the majority of handheld moments throughout the film, but when it came time to shoot the hide-and-seek chase scene under the house, it became clear that the only person small enough to run around in such a tiny space effecitenly was young Ed Oxenbould, who plays Becca’s little brother, Tyler. “We had one day which was a problem, which was the underground where the grandma crawls, the camera operator was too big. He’s a grown man, so he couldn’t keep up and go crawl under there”, recalls Shyamalan. “I look over, and Ed is there, and I’m like, ‘Ed, why don’t you just hold the camera?’ And he’s like, ‘Yeah!’ And he just ran underneath, and he did all of the camera work under the house. He was so proud that day”.
There may have been many joyous moments of laughter and playing on set, but the source material for the film still remains morbid and dark, shaping up the film to be a true black comedy. “The subject of the piece is fear of getting old, which is a variation on our fear of dying”. Shyamalan darkly interprets the distrust of the elderly with man’s primal, innate rejection of the reaper. To him, it’s a subject that when pressed, can create some of the most tension-filled moments in cinema. By toying with the one fear that all humans share, Shyamlan manages to coax discomfort out of the depths of his viewers inner-most subconscious, bring it to light, and poke fun at it. “We’re scared of getting old, and playing on that is a powerful conceit”.
The Visit hits theaters on September 11th.
Interviews
Lily Sullivan and Kate Dolan on Killer AI ‘SOULM8TE’: “I Want You to Feel the Silicone”
Evil Dead Rise final girl Lily Sullivan finds herself coated in blood once more in SOULM8TE, but this time as the killer.
In Blumhouse’s new horror movie, arriving on Digital on August 1, Sullivan stars as Sara, an Artificially Intelligent android whose sole purpose is to serve as the perfect partner for her owner, David (David Rysdahl). But impossible beauty standards and programming safety measures that have been tampered with set this love bot to destroy mode when her relationship with David becomes threatened.
Director Kate Dolan (You Are Not My Mother), who rewrote an original draft from Rafael Jordan (Salvage Marines), based on a story by James Wan, Ingrid Bisu and Jordan, drew inspiration from ’90s erotic thrillers like Fatal Attraction.
They became a guide of sorts to Sara’s villainous turn, Kate Dolan explained to Bloody Disgusting. “All those old movies, when I was re-watching them to prep, I was writing the script, I was like, ‘Damn, these women are really just being driven into these scenarios by these men, these hapless men who are just treating them so badly. These men should really be getting their just desserts.’ But I think that was something we had as a guide for Sara: what really makes her into that femme fatale or that evil woman is just the impossible task of being a perfect woman and trying to balance being the Madonna and the whore and all these different kinds of aspects of being a woman and not being able to compute that. That’s what drives her crazy.
“That was always what really drew me to the story: of how to reframe that femme fatale or that villainous woman of the erotic thriller and do something new with it and something different.”
Lily Sullivan agrees: “She felt like a contemporary evolution of those characters. It’s like processing it all and then putting it through in an output. But it was so fun to try to find the old Hollywood archetypes of women in the 1990s, where it is built around fantasy, projection, desire. Then you’re just, even as the actor, then going through makeup, going through costume, where it’s all of these things that are kind of messed up about the blonde wig, the covering your whole body in paint so you can’t see any of your imperfections, or getting your teeth whitened and a push-up bra, and you’re just like, ‘Whoa. Why am I so angry? Why do I not feel enough? And why am I actually, literally, the male gaze right now?’ I was like, ‘Booked.'”

It turns out, though, that it was the impossible ideal of perfection that Sara represents that terrified Sullivan. She credits Dolan for helping her take on the intimidating role, one she was extremely hesitant to tackle at first.
Sullivan explains, “To do it, I’m like, someone’s going to meet your freak. We’re both choosing to do this. But at first I met Kate, and I felt like I told her all the reasons why I couldn’t do it or shouldn’t do it or why I was worried instead of being like, ‘Yeah, I’d love the role.’ I just weirdly had this verbal diarrhea of freaking out that I was like, ‘I don’t think I can.’ But then usually when you are that scared, it’s usually an indication to walk towards it. But really for me, it was Kate.“
Once she was on board, though, Sullivan grabbed the role by the throat. “Then also just again, to walk into the inky, gross, shadowy stuff of being a woman where I’m like, ‘How about I go over-hypersexualize the hell out of myself?’ But I’m going to make it uncanny valley. I want you to feel as silicone as much as you can. So I’m going to bring my Jim Carrey version of it, The Mask work, the Jacques Lecoq method of finding it through physicality. So there was so much nourishment in the challenge of it. Even reading the words when I was reading Kate’s writing, I’m going into Palisade mode. I was like, ‘I’ve got to go figure out what that language even means.’ And, ‘It better be as jarring as I possibly can.’ We love David, but we judge him for being able to project a whole life onto this wonky woman who’s forced to be there.”
Dolan reveals she did a lot of research into AI, and our home uses of it like Amazon’s Alexa, which informed Sara’s soothing voice and mannerisms. It also informed Sara’s parent company and new owner, David. “I was reading a lot about why that’s appealing, but also bias within the tech industry and how it’s predominantly male-led,” Dolan says. “So, you’re getting a lot of men of a certain background and life experience all thinking that this is the right thing to do.”

The director uses the ’90s thriller framework as an abstract metaphor for how we’re currently engaging with AI now, and “how people engage with them and what you get from that back.” That didn’t just inspire Sara’s look and design, but her methods of murder.
“The kills were very much like, I won’t spoil anything, but it was always ways that the men would be taken down a peg, then emasculated, or just put in a chokehold; literally, it was the kind of concept behind a lot of them,” Dolan explains. “And then it was just like: what would be most fun? What would be really fun to do? What would be fun to film and fun to watch as an audience? I mean, they were great fun, and all our male cast were very eager and excited to have these death scenes. That was the most exciting day on set when they were getting ready to be completely eviscerated.”
If it’s not already apparent, it feels strange to consider Sara a villain when she has no actual agency, though there’s no question she’s the terror of SOULM8TE. And Sullivan had a blast taking on the baddie role. Especially when it came to eviscerating the pursuit of perfection and anyone who dares to get in Sara’s way.
Sullivan teases a favorite kill of hers as she recalls the joy of playing a horror movie psycho, “Even loving the stiletto in the mouth referenced from The Last Seduction, just sets the heart. Even just having the plastic apron as I’m sawing the man’s body like a cello, little wink at American Psycho. It was so fun making a film about AI that’s super tech-based. Obviously our whole lives are bombarded by it, and it’s quite nauseating. If you’re going to make a film about AI, this serving is fun, it’s twisted, but it’s also freaky. And the freak show circus is already here, unfortunately.”

Lily Sullivan and Kate Dolan behind the scenes

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