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‘The Lighthouse’: Robert Eggers Digs into the Film’s Historical Artistic Influences and Techniques [Interview]
Robert Eggers doesn’t make movies about everyday modern foibles, he makes films that look and feel like living history. His folk horror sensation The Witch accurately recreated pilgrim farm life with painstaking accuracy, and his new psychological nightmare The Lighthouse eerily realizes the isolation and dialogue of salty seamen, as torrential winds, alcohol and – possibly – supernatural forces from the ocean depths tear them apart.
But The Lighthouse isn’t just a trip into New England’s history, it’s also a vivid step backwards into early sound cinema. Robert Eggers’ film is the most beautifully photographed black-and-white film in many years, thanks in part to old school techniques, classical influences and a rarely used aspect ratio.
We asked Eggers which films influenced the distinct and haunting look and feel of The Lighthouse, and he had an intriguing take on the film’s cinematography. He says it’s not as classical as it seems!
“The lighting in this movie is not very similar to old movies aside from the fact that it’s got very exaggerated chiaroscuro,” Eggers says, referring to the film’s highly contrasted images, with bright lights and extreme darks.
“But we use the practical lighting sources that are in the story.”

Practical lighting sources, for those who don’t know, are lights that appear and exist within the movie’s story. “So [we used] the kerosene lantern to light the movie, whereas if [Ingmar] Bergman was using a lamp in one of his movies that takes place on the Isle of Fårö, we would see the flame and there would be an off-camera light that was lighting Liv Ullman and Max Von Sydow.”
That doesn’t mean The Lighthouse didn’t have to cheat a little bit, but Eggers explains that they had to cheat the light in a different way. Instead of using off-camera lights, they sneakily manipulated the lights they used on-camera.
“The bar on this film stock hasn’t changed since the 1950s, so it requires a lot more light to get exposure than film stock does today, or certainly a digital format,” Eggers says. “So the flame from a kerosene lantern, we wouldn’t get exposure. So rather than have an actual flame in that practical lighting source we have a 600w halogen bulb on a flicker dimmer, and that’s how all of the lanterns were. So rather than have an actual flame in that practical lighting source we have a 600w halogen bulb on a flicker dimmer, and that’s how all of the lanterns were.”
When asked why it was so important to film The Lighthouse using practical lighting sources, Eggers admits that “We just like that approach.”

“I feel like when I watched these movies from the 30s and 40s, particularly from the 40s, where the black and white lighting is so sophisticated, it kind of makes me embarrassed about the work Jarin [Blaschke, cinematographer] and I have done, even though we’re really kind of proud of it,” Eggers confesses.
“Because the level of technique and craft that these people had, these cinematographers, far exceeds ours because they were working with this format all the time. So the amount of depth and detail that they could get… I mean, it’s pretty flabbergasting,” Eggers continues.
But the choice goes beyond mere taste and homage, according to the filmmaker.
“I still find the false lighting fixtures… it just seems dated. It doesn’t seem essential and believable. So even though it works when Orson Welles is playing Rochester in Jane Eyre with a clearly fake nose and everything has a kind of falseness to it, it works very well, but in this movie [The Lighthouse] we’re trying to achieve a kind of naturalism in the atmosphere and specificity of the world,” Eggers says. “The lighting should reflect the same kind of choices.”
As for the film’s aspect ratio, many have been erroneously describing it as “Academy Ratio,” which was the prevalent film format for many years in Hollywood before widescreen cinema became widely used in the 1950s. But that’s not the case, not at all.

“If I may be respectful and delicate, we actually shot the film in 1.19:1, which is an early sound aspect ratio that’s slightly narrower than Academy Ratio,” Eggers politely points out.
But regardless of its official name, the film’s almost square aspect ratio gives The Lighthouse a very different aesthetic than most modern movies. It evokes an earlier era, and also makes the film feel more claustrophobic.
“Yes to both!” Eggers confirms. “Very simply and on a surface level it says ‘Old movie!’”
And yet, as with most artistic decisions Eggers makes, there’s more to it than that.
“If you could custom build new cinemas for every release of every movie, I think filmmakers would work in a lot of different aspect ratios. Cinemascope has become synonymous with ‘epic,’ and absolutely if you’re shooting armies and certain kinds of vast landscapes, you do want that panoramic canvas to work on. But if you look at art history there’s not a whole lot of epic paintings that are in that aspect ratio,” Eggers explains with a laugh, pointing that there are engravings of the apocalypse “in a completely vertical aspect ratio, and it feels perfectly apocalyptic, you know?”

“But yes, knowing this was going to be in cinemas, this screen, this boxy aspect ratio is going to be more claustrophobic and good for framing these cramped interiors, and good for framing vertical objects like lighthouses,” Eggers continues. “And also, frankly, a good aspect ratio for close-ups of these two magnificent faces. Like, why have a bunch of flab on either side of their heads when you just want to see their heads??
As for his influences, “Of course I mentioned those Bergman chamber pieces, and clearly a lot of early sound cinema from Fritz Lang and [G.W.] Pabst and Jean Grémillon and Jean Epstein’s nautical films [and] his films in Brittany. Among many, many influences,” Eggers explains. But not all of his influences were making films 90 years ago.
“Like, obviously I love Béla Tarr but on the other hand the wind never stopped on that godforsaken rock that we shot on [in The Lighthouse], so we didn’t need to bring a helicopter to get ‘Béla Tarr wind.’ Nor did we need to consciously conjure any nods to Béla Tarr because we were living it!” Eggers laughs, referring to the internationally acclaimed director of Sátántangó and The Turin Horse. “We were living the Tarr misery.”

Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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