Interviews
Eugenie Bondurant Breaks Down Playing The Occultist in ‘The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It’
The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It is available on Premium VOD platforms now and will be haunting 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray, and DVD on August 24. The home release is packed with special features, including a spotlight on the terrifying Occultist. Ahead of the home release, Bloody Disgusting chatted with Occultist actress Eugenie Bondurant to dig into what makes the character such a formidable foe.
The Occultist marks a first for the Conjuring universe in that she’s a human antagonist, not a demon. In many ways, she’s the perfect opposite to Lorraine Warren (Vera Farmiga), making her one of the most dangerous villains yet. Bondurant’s approach to her character was thorough. “I’m a Meisner trained actor, and I break down a script a certain way and then look for facts in the script. Facts that affect my character, and there are a lot of them in the script. She’s the reason for everything. So, I get one of those dollar store books; I scribble everything down and try to figure out which ones are pertinent to the creation or the development of this character. And then, I go back and look at my scenes and see the overall arc of the work. Where she is going, and what is she attempting to do, and why that’s the most important?”
While the character remains enigmatic for much of the narrative, one of the essential elements to the Occultist’s development is her upbringing. That contributed, in part, to making the Occultist scary. Bondurant elaborates, “Well, a few things are going on, I think, for me. First of all, I have a lot of angles in my face, which means she may show danger. You can do a lot of stuff with what I’ve been blessed with. That’s number one, but number two, I think, the rage is from her father, but I don’t think it’s all from her father. I think that seed was planted from him, but the direction where she ended up going, she was raised by a doting parent who loved her but, I’m thinking, abandoned her. Her whole lair is set up down in this area below ground, and she had access to everything.”
Bondurant also provides a fascinating insight to the pivotal scene that (spoilers ahead) sees her confronting her father, ending in bloodshed. It’s an act of mercy and love in response to her father’s betrayal. “I look at that as, this had to be done, but was done in her way, a loving way. As opposed to, I’m not casting a spell on you. I’m not. I’m going to get this done and get it over with, and I’m going to love you, and I hope you forgive me enough, as I forgive you.”
In “The Occultist” special feature, below, Bondurant’s character can be glimpsed wielding a blade and appearing to prepare a goat for sacrifice. When asked about this moment, Bondurant hadn’t yet seen it to provide context on potential deleted scenes. But she did recount how it was to work with the animals in the film and how Vera Farmiga coached her on goat wrangling. “I’ve never done this before. I grew up in New Orleans, so I wasn’t born on a farm. Vera goes, ‘Oh, that’s so easy. You just do this, and this, and this.’ Bam. And I thought, how would you know how to do it? That was a funny little surprise there, but yes, I know how to wrangle goats. With the rats, they brought me into the rat tent. There was a tent set up and all these different rat kennels. Right? I think there were three or four, whatever. And so, the animal wrangler said, would you like to play around with one?
“He put one on my arm and let it go. I said, ‘This is such a cute little rat.’ You tell friends this, and they think, ah rat. Were you afraid that the rat was going to bite you? No, I wasn’t. No, the rat was happy; I’m happy. The rat should have been afraid I was going to bite it. It was fun. The goats were fun. I have pictures with those goats. They were just adorable.”
See “The Occultist” special feature and Bondurant in action on August 24, 2021, with the release of The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It on Blu-ray, DVD, and 4K Ultra HD.
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Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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