Interviews
Eugenie Bondurant Breaks Down Playing The Occultist in ‘The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It’
The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It is available on Premium VOD platforms now and will be haunting 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray, and DVD on August 24. The home release is packed with special features, including a spotlight on the terrifying Occultist. Ahead of the home release, Bloody Disgusting chatted with Occultist actress Eugenie Bondurant to dig into what makes the character such a formidable foe.
The Occultist marks a first for the Conjuring universe in that she’s a human antagonist, not a demon. In many ways, she’s the perfect opposite to Lorraine Warren (Vera Farmiga), making her one of the most dangerous villains yet. Bondurant’s approach to her character was thorough. “I’m a Meisner trained actor, and I break down a script a certain way and then look for facts in the script. Facts that affect my character, and there are a lot of them in the script. She’s the reason for everything. So, I get one of those dollar store books; I scribble everything down and try to figure out which ones are pertinent to the creation or the development of this character. And then, I go back and look at my scenes and see the overall arc of the work. Where she is going, and what is she attempting to do, and why that’s the most important?”
While the character remains enigmatic for much of the narrative, one of the essential elements to the Occultist’s development is her upbringing. That contributed, in part, to making the Occultist scary. Bondurant elaborates, “Well, a few things are going on, I think, for me. First of all, I have a lot of angles in my face, which means she may show danger. You can do a lot of stuff with what I’ve been blessed with. That’s number one, but number two, I think, the rage is from her father, but I don’t think it’s all from her father. I think that seed was planted from him, but the direction where she ended up going, she was raised by a doting parent who loved her but, I’m thinking, abandoned her. Her whole lair is set up down in this area below ground, and she had access to everything.”
Bondurant also provides a fascinating insight to the pivotal scene that (spoilers ahead) sees her confronting her father, ending in bloodshed. It’s an act of mercy and love in response to her father’s betrayal. “I look at that as, this had to be done, but was done in her way, a loving way. As opposed to, I’m not casting a spell on you. I’m not. I’m going to get this done and get it over with, and I’m going to love you, and I hope you forgive me enough, as I forgive you.”
In “The Occultist” special feature, below, Bondurant’s character can be glimpsed wielding a blade and appearing to prepare a goat for sacrifice. When asked about this moment, Bondurant hadn’t yet seen it to provide context on potential deleted scenes. But she did recount how it was to work with the animals in the film and how Vera Farmiga coached her on goat wrangling. “I’ve never done this before. I grew up in New Orleans, so I wasn’t born on a farm. Vera goes, ‘Oh, that’s so easy. You just do this, and this, and this.’ Bam. And I thought, how would you know how to do it? That was a funny little surprise there, but yes, I know how to wrangle goats. With the rats, they brought me into the rat tent. There was a tent set up and all these different rat kennels. Right? I think there were three or four, whatever. And so, the animal wrangler said, would you like to play around with one?
“He put one on my arm and let it go. I said, ‘This is such a cute little rat.’ You tell friends this, and they think, ah rat. Were you afraid that the rat was going to bite you? No, I wasn’t. No, the rat was happy; I’m happy. The rat should have been afraid I was going to bite it. It was fun. The goats were fun. I have pictures with those goats. They were just adorable.”
See “The Occultist” special feature and Bondurant in action on August 24, 2021, with the release of The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It on Blu-ray, DVD, and 4K Ultra HD.
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Interviews
The Work ‘Grind’ Is Hell, So Brea Grant & Ed Dougherty Made a Horror Anthology About It [CFF 2026 Interview]
Genre fans rejoice! Chattanooga Film Festival is back for its 13th year in 2026 with a killer lineup and once again offering audiences both in-person and virtual options. After having its World Premiere at SXSW this spring, the horror comedy anthology Grind is playing CFF 2026 opening weekend.
From a screenplay by Brea Grant (Torn Hearts, 12 Hour Shift) and Ed Dougherty (MLM) and segments directed by Grant, Dougherty, and Chelsea Stardust (Satanic Panic), Grind features four interwoven stories that parody the gig economy, hustle culture, and the evils of late-stage capitalism.
The anthology follows weary everyday people juggling side hustles just to survive, while going up against greedy oligarchs, and cleverly uses dark humor and bloody practical effects to portray a world much like our current economic nightmare.
Bloody Disgusting had the pleasure of chatting with Brea Grant and Ed Dougherty about the socioeconomic commentary in Grind, casting Barbara Crampton as a villain, and DIY filmmaking.

Bloody Disgusting: Every segment in this anthology feels relatable because people are actually struggling to survive in the gig economy right now. How did the two of you come up with the idea of creating Grind?
Brea Grant: Like you said, we were trying to come up with a cool idea that seemed relevant right now. The thing that everyone we know is talking about is the economy, the lack of work, and the nightmare hellscape that is late-stage capitalism. It felt like the right time to write something that really featured that as the main horror. As the main thing that people were scared of, this world sort of came to us over the course of a couple of years.
Ed Dougherty: We wanted to make a hit film, and we said, “Let’s make a horror anthology, that’s the most marketable thing there is.” [laughs]
BG: [laughs] Definitely not!
BD: I love anthologies!
ED: We do, too. We feel like it’s kind of an undervalued form of horror film, but it’s a hard sell.
BG: People told us not to make it. They said, “Don’t make an anthology. It’s too hard to sell.” But we did it anyway.
BD: I guess I’m just one of those weirdos who likes anthologies and watches them all.
ED: We believe that there are a lot of weirdos like you out there. It seems like every good horror anthology has a long life, but it’s just getting over the initial hump that’s difficult.

BD: Chelsea Stardust directed some of the segments with the two of you and serves as a producer. How did she first get involved with this project?
BG: The project has a long history. We shot the first segment, which is about multi-level marketing, a couple of years ago. We had decided we wanted to make a full anthology, but it took us about a year after shooting that initial segment to shoot the rest of the movie. When we did that, we knew we needed to bring on a producer aside from Ed and me, since we were directing the bulk of the movie, so that was how she came on board. I’ve been friends with her for a long time, and the one thing I know about her as a friend is that she is very organized, so it felt like a good fit. I just called her one day and said, “Would you want to produce these three segments that we have left to shoot of Grind?” and she came on board.
BD: There are some fun cameos in Grind, but we have to talk about Barbara Crampton. She’s so good as a villainess. Why did you want her for this role, and what was it like working with her on this film?
BG: She’s in her villain era, which is so fun. [laughs] Obviously, we’re huge Barbara Crampton fans, and when we were making MLM, it was a smaller part of the movie that we knew we needed to call on people who could do a good job but were also friendly to us [laughs]. I’m friends with Barbara Crampton, and we’ve done three movies together before this. So, it felt like someone within our reach, but could also really draw a horror crowd. She has a huge fanbase, and she’s also super supportive of all the projects that she’s been in, so that was also really exciting. She’s a great actress, and she’s super funny. I think a lot of these horror actresses, especially those who came up in the eighties and nineties, weren’t given an opportunity to be funny. I think she was ready to jump on an opportunity that was different than what she was used to; it’s not running around and screaming. She is a cult leader, and she is quite funny in it. She just takes the comedy so well and seriously, and she does such an amazing job with it. She has a scene across from Rob Huebel, who is obviously a comedy master, and I feel like the two of them together were hilarious. It’s been fun to watch Barbara go from these iconic roles to a different kind of role at this point in her career. We’re super happy to be a part of that.
ED: And she loves the movie and has been so supportive. Every time she posts about it, I’m like, “I can’t believe this. This is amazing.”

BD: This is an accurate parody of the current socioeconomic situation in this country, as well as our obsession with online culture. It repeatedly asks the question, “What are you willing to do to make money,” in a world with wealth inequality and evil oligarchs. It’s fun, and it’s a horror movie, but it’s thought-provoking. What do you hope audiences take away from Grind, besides having a good time?
ED: I read every review and every Letterboxd review; Brea does not. So, I’ve seen it all. I’ve seen some reviews that say, “Good movie but doesn’t propose a solution.” I think we do propose a solution, which is that the power of unions and organizing is the only way that we will be able to fight back against oligarchs. I do think that is the message of the film. Organizing is the only way to defeat these villains. I do think we have a lot to say in the film. I’d want someone to say, “Man, I’ve never seen a horror anthology that had a political message before.” [laughs]
BG: I think the other thing is that what is currently happening is that we live in a world in which people kind of feel alone in this. They’re like, “Well, I’m doing bad, “or “I’m having trouble paying my rent.” We wanted to hang a lantern on the fact that this is happening to everyone, that wealth disparity is at an all-time high. We’re pointing out to people that you aren’t in this alone; you’re not the only person doing side hustles. Every filmmaker friend I have is working a side job of some sort at this point, and that is just in Los Angeles. Outside of this city, I think things are more dire. I think it was about infusing some politics into something that could make people realize that they aren’t alone and that there are ways of fighting back and fighting the system that has been set up against them.
ED: I think the tone of the movie, which is darkly comedic, also really matches the tone of life right now. Everything seems almost at a parody level as far as the disconnect between oligarchs and trying to make a living and reality. The absurdist nature of the film kind of captures the real tone of life.

BD: There are some cool creature effects and makeup effects in this movie. Can you talk a little bit about the practical effects and makeup?
ED: I think especially because of the message of the film, which is pushing back against the current hellscape we’re in, we wanted to use as many practical effects as possible. We used matte paintings, miniatures, and practical creature effects. I’m always afraid of the matte painting because we used the old school matte painter, but they do look a little AI. I heard someone make a noise behind me during one of the shots, and I was like, “I hope that noise wasn’t them using AI because that’s a matte painting.” [laughs] There’s also the fact that it’s pretty DIY. It’s a film that we financed ourselves and shot in our houses as much as possible. We wanted the whole thing to feel handmade and very tactile.
BG: We’re old school horror fans, so we love seeing practical effects. The practical stuff is really fun for us. It’s the stuff that we think is actually cool. [laughs] So, practical stuff made the most sense for us. We both grew up in the punk scene in the nineties, and I think it just kind of comes naturally to us to try to do things ourselves. And we both work on projects for big companies, with smaller companies, but always for other people, so trying to do something ourselves to see what that felt like was also part of the experiment of Grind.
ED: This was our chance to do everything we wanted our way.
Grind screens at the Chattanooga Film Festival on June 20.
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