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How the “Hysteria!” Showrunners Found the Balance Between Horror and Comedy [Interview]

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Writers/Executive producers/Showrunners Matthew Scott Kane (Stitchers) and David Goodman (The Orville) blend horror, humor, and heart in Hysteria!” Peacock’s coming-of-age series mines its drama and horror from America’s dark history of mass hysteria through the shocking story of the teenage Satanic Panic.

The series follows a group of 1980s high school misfits as they exploit the growing hysteria around teen occult activity, and it boasts a tremendous cast that ensures these characters will worm their way into your heart before the horror ensues.

Garret Dillahunt (The Last House on the Left), Nolan North (Pretty Little Liars), Elijah Richardson (Fantasy Football), Milly Shapiro (Hereditary), Allison Scagliotti (Warehouse 13), and Jessica Treska (Alex & Me) star alongside Bruce CampbellJulie BowenAnna CampEmjay AnthonyChiara AureliaKezii Curtis, and Nikki Hahn.

Bloody Disgusting spoke with Kane and Goodman ahead of the series’ debut, where the pair revealed how the cast came together and the research they put in when writing the series.

“Hysteria!” isn’t easy to categorize in terms of genre because it dabbles in everything with seamless ease. Kane divulges the key to balancing so many genres at once: the characters. He tells Bloody Disgusting, “With this show, we always wanted to make sure that the horror moments felt really earned. There was a quote years back from Edgar Wright talking about Scott Pilgrim, which was, ‘In most musicals, emotions get so high that they have no choice but to break out into song and dance.’ We tried to apply that feeling to this show, which was essentially when fear reaches a point where it’s too high to hold in anymore, it kind of explodes into one of these moments.

“We have to get there by working with the characters, understanding their fears, understanding the kind of hurdles that they’re trying to get over and put behind them, and all of that stuff. So, there was a very tricky balance between characters, horror, and humor in there.”

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HYSTERIA! — “The Satanic Panic” Episode 101 — (Photo by: PEACOCK)

While the series is pure fiction, pushing into the occult and beyond, Kane and Goodman wanted to root their series in reality just enough to resonate with viewers. “My goal with this was to make everything rhyme with reality, but not necessarily take a figure or someone and base a character off of them directly, Kane explains. “I wanted to make sure that there were characters that felt like someone we’ve met in real life before, someone that was in the zeitgeist in the 1980s, without having to be beholden to their life story or anything, have them be our character. I did do a lot of research, too much research, on the Satanic Panic when I was getting into it. It took me two years to even put pen to paper on this show because I was voraciously reading all kinds of books. There’s one called Satanic Panic by Kier-La Janisse, which is incredible. It’s an essay compilation that walks you through all sorts of different avenues of the Satanic Panic, but also when you get into the really deep sort of paranoid side of things, and it’s not a retrospective, it’s like what you were actually reading at the moment.

I was reading these books called Saturday Morning Mind Control, which are essentially books about how the Smurfs are in league with Satan, they are going to brainwash your children into sleeper cell Satanists, and they are going to rise up against you and kill you. That was the type of literature that I was reading in preparation for this, and it really helped inform the Tracy Whitehead character, as well as the world at large. In fact, on one of our first days on set, I gave Anna Camp a book called Dancing with Demons, which was a book about the devil’s influence over rock and roll music, essentially. It’s like, Hey if you ever need a jolt in the arm to feel more like Tracy, read this book. I think it was very helpful for her.

Anna Camp is just one of the many recognizable names among the cast. Goodman shares how this talented lineup came together, “I joined the show after Matt had written the pilot script, and everything was in that script. When you’re sending a great script out to actors, actors are smart, and they see that there are a lot of great characters. So, Julie Bowen read the script. This was a real departure for her. This is not Claire Dunphy. This is the dark side of America’s mom. She hooked into that. But she called Matt. I mean, I really think Matt should tell the story of Julie talking to him about this character and where she was going to go.

Julie Bowen in Hysteria

HYSTERIA! — “The Satanic Panic” Episode 101 — Pictured: Julie Bowen as Linda Campbell — (Photo by: PEACOCK)

Julie was always number one on our list, Kane replies to Goodman. “That’s who we wanted for this part. We sent it to her, crossed our fingers, and then I got an email saying, ‘Julie would like to talk to you tomorrow morning. She’s got a 10-minute window before she has to take her kids to school.’ I’m in Georgia, and she’s in LA. I hopped on this call with her, and I’m so nervous. The first ever TV spec script I wrote in college was a Modern Family script. I’ve literally wanted to work with Julie since college. I get on the phone with her, and one of the first things she says is, ‘Hey, I’m going to do your show. I just wanted to talk to you. I just wanted to make sure you’re cool and that we’re all good, and I’m so excited to do this.

“She was thrilled with the idea of being able to play physical. In the pilot episode especially, she gets really physical. Something Julie loved to say to everyone on the set when getting into these scenes was, ‘Don’t worry, I’m sturdy.’ And she would just throw herself into everything. She was so gung-ho about making it look as good and as real as possible. Not only that, but every emotional scene with her nails it in one take. I mean, she was incredible.”

Goodman says of Bruce Campbell’s casting, “Bruce read the script and told us that it’s the words he connected to, the characters that we created for him, in a way. I mean, it was just so exciting to get Bruce Campbell to play this part. We’re such fans of his work. Then, casting the kids. Trying to find kids who are believable as musicians, as metalheads, and that that would start this, down this road of making these bad decisions. And so that was harder, but we found amazing people top to bottom. Then, Anna Camp, who also read the script, I think connected to the fact that this was somewhat of a departure for her as well. She just knocks it out of the park.

“Hysteria!” is now streaming on Peacock.

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Horror journalist, RT Top Critic, and Critics Choice Association member. Has appeared on PBS series' Monstrum, served on the SXSW Midnighter shorts jury, and moderated horror panels for WonderCon, SeriesFest, and Popcorn Frights Film Fest.

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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’

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Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating. 

“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”

While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists. 

I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.

Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”

The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling. 

Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story. 

“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”

The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential. 

“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.

Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay. 

“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness. 

“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”

So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation. 

“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”

Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere. 

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