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‘The Gorge’ Director Scott Derrickson Discusses His Genre-Bending Creature Feature [Interview]
The world’s most dangerous secret lies within The Gorge, and Scott Derrickson isn’t about to spoil it.
The Sinister and The Black Phone director sat down with Bloody Disgusting to discuss his genre-bending new film, which offers something for everyone this Valentine’s Day with action-packed thrills, passionate romance, sci-fi intrigue, and horrific creatures.
The originality of the concept, scripted by Zach Dean (The Tomorrow War), attracted Derrickson to The Gorge. “When Skydance sent me the script, I just got excited about the idea of a big event movie that’s not a sequel or a franchise or IP, but is an original story blending a lot of different genres.”
Miles Teller (Top Gun: Maverick) and Anya Taylor-Joy (The Witch) star as two highly-trained operatives who grow close from a distance after being sent to guard opposite sides of a mysterious gorge. When an evil below emerges, they must work together to survive what lies within.
“I tend to cast pretty well,” Derrickson remarks. “I had to first of all believe in each of the actors as an elite sniper, which in this case I just did. That eliminates a lot of actors from possibly casting. Beyond that, they’re both really good at playing nuanced choices. They’re very good at intimate scenes. I just had a suspicion they would have good chemistry, which they did. It was great.”
Derrickson says it was “a bucket list experience” directing Sigourney Weaver in the film. “She’s everything you’d hope she’d be. She’s really dedicated, very disciplined in the craft. She cares about the movie, wants to understand the movie as a whole and incredibly warm to everybody on set. Everybody loved her. It was terrific.”

Although the threat that lurks inside the gorge is being kept under wraps, Derrickson delved into the creature design process.
“When you’re dealing with creature effects, you have to start at the concept art stage. You have to talk to artists about what your vision is, what you want, and they start to generate images. You give notes on that, build on that and splinter off into more exploration. On this one, we did a tremendous amount of artwork before landing on all the different individual creature designs in the film.”
The biggest challenge he faced on the production were the big set pieces, which were difficult on a technical level. “We did some things that hadn’t been done or hadn’t been done in quite the same way, and a lot of big physical sets. I don’t like virtual environments for the most part. I like set extensions, but the more physical a set, the more real it looks.
“Being able to get all of that done in a timely fashion and have it be ready for production, staying in front of the schedule; you make a movie this size, it’s a little bit like running in front of a moving train. You just got to hit every railroad tie perfectly or the train’s gonna run you over, which in this case it didn’t.”
The titular gorge was a virtual location, but that doesn’t mean it was computer generated. Derrickson explains, “We shot plates in Norway for the canyon, for the rock walls, for the forests, for the sky, and then sort of stitched together the virtual space itself of the gorge. The top of the pillars of the watchtowers were real, giant, to-scale sets, and then the virtual space around them was built from the real photography.”

The filmmaker calls it “a dream come true” to have Academy Award winners Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross (The Social Network, Gone Girl) compose the score. “I was really thrilled that they wanted to do the movie, and their way of working is really interesting. They write you a ton of music based on just the script, on what they hear as being relevant to the film.”
He continues, “They give you more music than you’re ever going to use in a movie, but you sort of pick out the pieces that you think work the most, and then they build off of those. Some of those pieces directly end up in the movie, and then some of them, they’ll take direction and tailor them to different scenes.
“They’re very collaborative, really respectful and boy, do they care. They came to a bunch of the mixes, right up to the final mix. They were very precise about what they liked and didn’t like, and I loved that. I love their investments and how connected they were to the work. It was great. It was really an amazing experience.”
The music also features several choice needle drops: Yeah Yeah Yeahs‘ Grammy-nominated “Spitting Off the Edge of the World,” Ramones‘ classic punk anthem “Blitzkrieg Bop,” Twisted Sister‘s take on “O Come, All Ye Faithful,” and a rendition of Bob Dylan‘s “All Along the Watchtower” by UK rapper Devlin.
“I care a lot about needle drops. I think one of the most important things you do as a director is pick those songs that play in a film because of the tone they bring to them,” notes Derrickson.
“I knew that I wanted to have a big dance scene in the middle of the movie. There was a couple of lines about dancing in the script, but I wanted that to be a real scene. It took me a long time before settling on the Yeah Yeah Yeahs song. And then we built the choreography around that song.”
He adds, “Then, of course, the Ramones. I love the Ramones, I love that song, and I thought Anya would have fun with it — which she certainly did.”
Derrickson believes The Gorge will appeal to viewers for the same reason it appealed to him. “If you want to see a big, exciting event movie that isn’t what’s expected, isn’t the same thing, isn’t a franchise, sequel, IP-driven piece of familiarity — this is what you want to see. That’s really why I did it. After I read the script, I thought. ‘I want to see a movie this size that’s this daring and interesting and blends genre this way.’
The Gorge releases on Apple TV+ on February 14.
“It’s Valentine’s Day,” Derrickson reasons. “It’s a very romantic movie!”
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Interviews
Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

Paul Tremblay in documentary series “First Word on Horror”
The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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