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Patrick Wilson & Vera Farmiga Look Back at Their Journey Ahead of ‘The Conjuring: Last Rites’ [Interview]
It’s the end of an era. Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga are set to take their final bow as the fictional versions of Ed and Lorraine Warren in The Conjuring: Last Rites.
While the Conjuring Universe, now four films deep in the main series with multiple spinoffs from Annabelle to The Nun, is known for its chilling scares, it’s the central romance between its paranormal investigators that’s become the franchise’s beating heart. The unwavering loyalty and love between Wilson and Farmiga’s characters as they battle intense demonic enemies and save each other from death, more than once, quickly instilled emotional stakes that only deepened with each film.
That culminates in Last Rites, where Ed and Lorraine Warren are set to take on their most dangerous case yet: the Smurl family haunting. This time, it’s personal. But for Wilson and Farmiga, it’s a case that brings their journey as one of horror’s favorite couples to a fitting, heartfelt end. And it’s a journey they look back on fondly, though with a little disbelief.

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Farmiga reflects on her time as Lorraine with pride and a little shock that a horror franchise with such a sentimental core made such an impact on audiences. “We figured out very early on that the special effects of this one weren’t going to be the ghosts and the scares; it was going to be in the glances between [Wilson] and me,” Farmiga tells BD. “I’m really proud, and I think that there’s just something wildly sexy and romantic about saving each other from possession, from film to film.”
Farmiga continues, “It’s kind of mind-blowing, the formula of this franchise. I mean, that there could be this duo whose idea of intimacy is like Latin chanting, and people eat that up, they gobble that right up. People hankering, ‘Oh, my god, I hope they’re going to kiss between exorcisms.’ It’s such a weird thing that we’ve achieved with these two characters.”
Wilson echoes her sentiments. “Yeah, I think rarely do you do something and have it be in real time that you can feel the weight of it. Coming back, movie after movie, and we’re the same people who approach work the same way, with the same amount of passion and frivolity. But to what you just said, about how it feels to be this favorite horror couple, I think that’s really special. We’re very conscious of that. I think that’s, for lack of a better phrase, it’s cool. When I think of the great, whether it was when Anthony Hopkins did one of the greatest villains in horror movie history. Or when you start talking about those kinds of memorable performances, and it feels like your union, your bond with your co-star has become at least that recognized because of the number of people that have seen these films. I mean, I think that is very special. We wear that with gratitude.”
“For sure,” Farmiga adds. “If I could rewind to 2011 before getting this, and seeing that log line, and seeing the character description to play a demon-hunting soulmate, like, ‘What does that even mean? How are we going to deliver that? What does that entail?’ Who knew that it would honestly be the most emotionally demanding role of my career?“
The Conjuring: Last Rites will release in theaters September 5, 2025.

‘The Conjuring: Last Rites’
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Paul Tremblay on Fighting AI with Horror in New Novel ‘Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep’
Paul Tremblay didn’t start his writing career believing he’d be battling machines over the sanctity of his job, but like so many writers of his generation, the battle found him. In the years since Large Language Models (LLMs) and neural networks started gaining traction as an advertised shortcut to creativity, Tremblay has been active in lawsuits to prevent the use of his works in training AI models, and he’s found that, with each new project, he has to consider the possibility that some LLM, somewhere, is going to latch on to what he’s creating.
“Now I feel like I’m thinking about, ‘Man, how am I going to write things that would be really hard or impossible for an AI to replicate?’,” Tremblay told me, speaking by Zoom from his home in Massachusetts. “Maybe some of that is ego. I’m sure every writer thinks, ‘Oh, an AI could never write what I write.’ Yes, I’d be lying if I said that wasn’t part of the thought process.”
While that’s something Tremblay might consider with any new work at this point in his career, the Bram Stoker Award-winning author of A Head Full of Ghosts, The Cabin at the End of the World, and many other novels and short stories tackled it in a more direct way with his latest book. Inspired by Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, and the quirky humor of the Coen Brothers, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is Tremblay’s attempt at a sci-fi-horror mash-up that’s both darkly funny and existentially nightmarish. It’s also, in his own words, a screed against the movement by AI companies to supplant human artists.
“I didn’t want to make it too didactic, but no, I playfully described this book as an anti-AI screed,” he said. “This book, in particular, was driven by anger and frustration, for sure. Not every book is going to be driven that way.“
Despite the emotions that fueled it, Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep does not read like a screed. Instead, wielding offbeat humor and tech concepts that feel both lived-in and frighteningly tactile, the book lays out tandem narratives all building to the same conclusion, each of them exploring our relationship to machine learning in a different way. One of these narratives belongs to Julia, a former gaming streamer looking for a new challenge in life, who gets a call from a California tech company with an interesting offer.

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The company has, it seems, implanted some new technology in a brain-dead middle-aged man which will, in theory, allow them to pilot the man’s body through a rudimentary, still-developing system of controls. Julia, with her gaming background, would be the pilot, in her own way just as much a test subject as the human vegetable she’s controlling.
Julia is a Gen Z streamer with an omnivorous pop culture appetite, inspired by Tremblay’s own adult children, who riffs on The Big Lebowski constantly and calls her strange new meat puppet “Bernie” in reference to Weekend at Bernie’s. Her wide frame of reference, and her interest in art and stories far beyond video games, is in part informed by Tremblay’s own experiences with Gen Z, and in part a response to AI companies who scrape art and culture as a means of consuming it for reference without really experiencing a story.
“I know that one of the arguments that OpenAI and other tech companies are trying to make is like, ‘Hey, you writers, you artists, you take pop culture, you take your influences, and you create something. That’s just the same thing that the bots are doing.’ And it’s just not,” Tremblay said. “I wanted to have Julia have her outlook informed by all this pop culture, and I wanted to make that feel really human as a way to show how inhuman the AI is.”
The other side of the story belongs to “Bernie,” who’s addressed in his point-of-view chapters as “You.” In these chapters, the technology in Bernie’s body starts to flicker images through his seemingly dead brain, delivering half-remembered imagery and perspective in a nod to the “hallucinations” of an AI model groping for understanding it can never reach. These chapters in particular show off Tremblay’s flair for formalist shake-ups, and echo the kind of hyperstimulated writing that Dick and Ellison made so influential.
“I think it was more just the general Philip K. Dick feeling of ‘The world is so strange,'” Tremblay said. “He’s a lot funnier, I think, than maybe a lot of people credit him. That’s definitely what I was thinking of when writing the book.“
Bernie’s chapters embody the strangeness of Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep, presenting imagery that’s at times puzzling, at times eerily filmic, and always unnerving. They also mirror Julia’s own journey in fascinating ways as the odd couple – the Gen Z gamer and the middle-aged vegetable – traverse the United States, and the tech in Bernie’s body wakes up to the possibilities of using his flesh for its own purposes. It’s a compelling narrative technique, but it presented some new writing challenges for Tremblay.
“I quickly realized I couldn’t write this book the same way I have in the past,” he said. “By that, I mean all my other novels I had written in the order in which it was presented, even things that are nonlinear, which is most of them. I knew I couldn’t do that in this book. It’s not a spoiler, but hopefully the readers figure out pretty early that the Bernie chapters are a little bit of a preview of the next chapter from Julia, what’s actually happening with Julia. It’s all refracted from him.”

Mary Roach’s Stiff
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep began with a simple image, inspired by Tremblay’s reading of Mary Roach‘s book chronicling the history of our treatment of corpses, Stiff. As he read, Tremblay imagined a body sitting on an airplane, remote-controlled by someone else. At the time, it was a “silly what-if” concept, filed away in his head. Years later, when he became an author suing a tech company to keep AI from scraping his work for ideas, it started to feel frighteningly plausible, taking the “silly what-if” into the territory of a high-concept horror show about what happens when we try to exploit and commodify uniquely human aspects of consciousness.
“It stuck with me,” Tremblay said of that what-if imagery. “And then a few years later, when I was a part of the case suing OpenAI on behalf of writers, that what-if suddenly didn’t seem as silly. The more I learned about how that corporation operates and without really any sort of ethical thought to anything, I was like, ‘Oh, I’m going to play with that. That’s actually happening.”
So, what if someone actually in favor of generative AI picks up Tremblay’s self-described “anti-AI screed?” He hopes that, at the very least, he’s made the ride enjoyable in a distinctly human way that might begin to reshape the conversation.
“I think that was another reason why I wanted to have the humor,” Tremblay said. “If people are reading this book who aren’t on the side of like, ‘Hey, LLMs taking authors’ books is bad,’ maybe if they read something that’s cut with some humor, that maybe they’ll be more easily swayed.”
Dead But Dreaming of Electric Sheep is now in bookstores everywhere.

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